2015 NHL Draft

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by King Theo

I though that we could not pick until 23 now, because we are in the 2nd round.
1-14 non playoff teams.
15 - 22 First round losers.
23- 26 Second round losers
27 & 28 Third Round losers
29 SCF loser
30 Cup winner.

No. 1st round of playoffs make no impact on draft order.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26377#entry_order

Entry Draft Order
The order of selection among the Member Clubs in each season shall be determined in the following manner:
A composite of all Member Clubs shall be prepared by placing:
i) First the Clubs which failed to qualify for the preceding playoffs in the order of points earned by each of them in the regular schedule of the preceding season starting with the Club having the lowest points total and followed by the Club having the next lowest points total, and so forth.
ii) The Clubs which participated in the preceding playoffs (but had not been ranked first in their respective Divisions and had not won the Stanley Cup that season) in order of points earned by each of them in the regular schedule of the preceding season starting with the Club having the lowest total points and followed by the Club having the next lowest total points, and so forth.
iii) The Clubs which had been ranked first in their Divisions during the next preceding season (but had not won the Stanley Cup that season) in the order of points earned by each of them in the regular schedule of the preceding season starting with the Club having the lowest total points and followed by the Club having the next lowest total points, and so forth.
iv) The Stanley Cup winner shall select last, thus, positioning all Clubs on the list.
In the event of a tie for any position, such tie shall be resolved by application of the rules governing the determination of final League standings. The resulting list shall constitute the order of selection.

Flames 1st round pick will be either 15th OA (if they lose to the Ducks), 27th OA (if they lose in the conference finals), 29th OA or 30th OA.

[neo45]

Watching the u18s the guys that really stood out were Barzal (who we won't get), Harkins, Nicolas Roy, and Wotherspoon's younger brother. Hopefully we can draft the last three, Harkins especially

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

If Calgary is picking at 15, the player that is conditionally #1 on my list is Daniel Sprong.

Right Shooting right winger that would be a top 5 pick if it wasn't for off ice issues.

One of the Flames scouts is an owner of his junior team, so he would be very very familiar with him. Mason McDonald is also on that team.

If his off ice stuff is overblown, I would be shocked if the Flames passed on him as they have no other right shooting right wingers in the organization and he's as skilled as a player like Bennett, he's really that good. If he's on the board and they go elsewhere, you know there is something wrong there.

I've seen him play a lot. He's a terrific skater and hard to knock off the puck. He's also an excellent stickhandler with a great shot selection and quick release. He lacks a defensive game but that can be taught. He may be the sniper that puts us over the top. He's also a fine passer and is willing to pass if he plays with good players; otherwise he'll try to go end to end. He's a fitness nut too, something which separates him from Phil Kessel, to whom I've seen him compared.

[Frequitude]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

No. 1st round of playoffs make no impact on draft order.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26377#entry_order




Flames 1st round pick will be either 15th OA (if they lose to the Ducks), 27th OA (if they lose in the conference finals), 29th OA or 30th OA.

Am I to infer that the bolded below implies those who made it to the conference final (i.e won the playoffs divisional final)? Its just that it reads like 26/27-29 are the regular season divisional winners.

ii) The Clubs which participated in the preceding playoffs (but had not been ranked first in their respective Divisions and had not won the Stanley Cup that season) in order of points earned by each of them in the regular schedule of the preceding season starting with the Club having the lowest total points and followed by the Club having the next lowest total points, and so forth.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Frequitude

Am I to infer that the bolded below implies those who made it to the conference final (i.e won the playoffs divisional final)? Its just that it reads like 26/27-29 are the regular season divisional winners.

That looks like old information. It used to be that only the Stanley Cup winner got moved down to the #30 spot. In 2007, it was changed to the Conference Finalists getting the 27-30 spots (with the Cup champ getting 30th, and the other Conference champ getting 29th).

Any regular season Division winners that didn't make the Conference finals then get the next lowest spots. Then, the rest of the playoff teams get ranked in reverse order to fill out the draft order.


For example, last season: Los Angeles had the 30th spot for winning the Cup; the Rangers had 29th for losing the Cup final; Chicago was 28th and Montreal was 27th because they lost the Conference Finals and Chicago had more regular season points than the Habs. Next were the Division winners (none of which made the Conference Finals) Boston (27), Anaheim (26), Colorado (25), and Pittsburgh (24). Then, the rest of the playoff teams were ranked. St Louis and San Jose both had more points than Pittsburgh, but picked before the Penguins because the Pens were the top team in their Division.

This season, the four regular season Division winners were also the top 4 teams in the league, so that ranking won't be a factor.

[albertGQ]

^ Slight correction. Devils got 30th pick so Kings got 29th

[getbak]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

^ Slight correction. Devils got 30th pick so Kings got 29th

Yeah, that's why I said the "30th spot" because it's true for all rounds, not just the first. In every round except the first, the Kings were last.

The Devils picking last had nothing to do with any situation that will likely ever repeat itself and has nothing to do with the basic procedure for determining the final draft order.

[Hart50]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

If Calgary is picking at 15, the player that is conditionally #1 on my list is Daniel Sprong.

Right Shooting right winger that would be a top 5 pick if it wasn't for off ice issues.

One of the Flames scouts is an owner of his junior team, so he would be very very familiar with him. Mason McDonald is also on that team.

If his off ice stuff is overblown, I would be shocked if the Flames passed on him as they have no other right shooting right wingers in the organization and he's as skilled as a player like Bennett, he's really that good. If he's on the board and they go elsewhere, you know there is something wrong there.

Any idea what his alleged off ice issues are?

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Hart50

Any idea what his alleged off ice issues are?

IIRC his father seems to be a problem - interfering with the coaching staff, arguing/fighting with other parents and so on.

EDIT: http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...&postcount=810

[RyZ]

Originally Posted by devo22

IIRC his father seems to be a problem - interfering with the coaching staff, arguing/fighting with other parents and so on.

EDIT: http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...&postcount=810

Sure, but Im not sure that can be much of an issue in the NHL. Dad has less than ZERO say in what happens in the pro level. I dont think it would be much of a problem at this stage.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by RyZ

Sure, but Im not sure that can be much of an issue in the NHL. Dad has less than ZERO say in what happens in the pro level. I dont think it would be much of a problem at this stage.

As the old adage goes, "The Apple doesn't fall far the tree". Ever.

[neo45]

For what it's worth I watched Sprong play twice and hated what I saw. Reminded me of Hagman when he was on the Flames. Every play: head down, try to beat the entire other team, no need to use your teammates. It works in the Q but works like 4 times a season in the NHL. He had unreal skill but played like that annoying guy in any road hockey game ever. Mason MacDonald played great in both games

[devo22]

If the Flames draft at 15, I want them to draft a defenseman anyway (unless Meier is still on the board). There's just no way that all of Chabot, Roy and Zboril are already gone at 15 and all of those would be good fits IMO ... bonus points to Roy because he's right-handed, but Chabot and Zboril would be great choices too.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

I used to assume that we would draft a D with that first pick (Chabot seems like a good one), but having read the write up on Svechnikov, man, he seems like a nice fit. Big that can score. Me like.

[dammage79]

@ the 15 pick, all the way down to 30, there will be some real gems hiding in there. I think I can live with whoever the Flames pick. The Scouting staff has generally nailed their picks for a few years now.

Outside of the picks they could've made on a mushroom and absynth binge (Bennett, Monahan) they done really well IMO. Will be interesting to see who they take.

I have a feeling if Jansen Harkins is there he'll be the guy.

Preference would be Kylington or Zacha if they slip but Roy, Carlo and a few other D men out there would be sweet too. Also, How do you pass on Evgeny Svechnikov if he's available. Seems like a Nichushkin lite type of FWD. You never have too many of those.

[automaton 3]

I read somewhere that the Flames are very interested in Harkins - I think he would be a good fit if he's available.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Harkins/Sprong would be a good pick if we make it to the WCF's.

At 15, you have the chance of getting Meier, Roy, or Konecny before Harkins.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by neo45

For what it's worth I watched Sprong play twice and hated what I saw. Reminded me of Hagman when he was on the Flames. Every play: head down, try to beat the entire other team, no need to use your teammates. It works in the Q but works like 4 times a season in the NHL. He had unreal skill but played like that annoying guy in any road hockey game ever. Mason MacDonald played great in both games

I certainly saw some games where he played the way you mentioned. I liked his play early in the season when paired with center Filip Chlapik. When Rydstrom got injured the coach tried to spread scoring out by separating Chlapik and Sprong. At that point be began to try to do it all himself. Later in the season he was reunited with Chlapik and he really took off offensively and was much more of a play maker. In any case, there are a number of great prospects available from the Q this season.

[Caged Great]

There are so many good players out there though, that if we're picking at 15, we'll be getting a great player, around if we were picking in the 5-8 range last year (that's how good this draft is)

Even if the Flames pick at 27-30, there will be some interesting players on the board, although not quite as special of talents.

Nicolas Roy would be great for one of our 2nd round picks. Joe Colborne clone.

[Hugh Jahrmes]

Is it too late to tank for McDavid? Otherwise we will never turn our team around and complete the rebuild, and you know, make the playoffs