Without derailing the thread and giving too much of a long winded answer... no. Generally speaking you can photograph anything you want in a public space, as there's no expectation of "privacy" once you leave your front door.
Within context of news journalism the gentleman yelling from the truck invited the attention of the camera to himself, and thus created a "newsworthy" bit of video.
Now the waste of skin the pick up truck could certainly argue that his privacy was violated and try to sue the local CBC office... but no laws were broken by them.
Interesting that the worst posts on the previous page were all done by some of the most visible Flames posters on HF. No wonder the other fanbases dislike Calgary there.
I will apologize if I repeat anything on here as I didn't read through every post, but I do think this FH**** and "Show Your Cans for Monahan" stuff is ridiculous. I work with and support individuals effected by domestic violence and sexual assault...and sadly those incidents are rampant in this city. However, we notice a spike of these incidents every year during Stampede and I'd imagine the same will be evident with the Red Mile. I certainly do not paint the city "red" when it comes to these issues. Only certain individuals make the decision to beat up, or sexually assault women. But we have to be careful not to perpetuate the issue and to speak up against it with hopes that it will not seem so "appealing" to some.
I take great pride living in Calgary. We have an amazing city filled with hard working, caring, and devoted people. Not to mention the best fans in the NHL. Many of us have mothers, sisters, aunts, girl friends, wives, and (including me) daughters. I don't know what I would do if I knew there was someone out there pressuring my daughter to "show her cans" or forcing himself on her. It's an important mindset to have in these situations. I do what I can everyday to build her up, empower her, and to ensure she knows that she has the same rights as everyone else, and that she should never be forced to compromise her safety, wellbeing, or dignity. But just as much as I try to do that for my daughter, I also try to teach the same to my nephews. Be respectful, be gentle, be caring and never abuse your strength over someone else. I even try to do that with friends or colleagues who may make derogatory remarks or feed into that negative mindset or behavior.
I hope all of us in this great city can maintain that positive messaging for the girls, women, boys and men in our lives and discourage those that would try to jeopardize it for their own benefit. The more this negative behaviour is normalized or accepted...the more dangerous it becomes...especially on a platform like the Red Mile or Stampede.
I love this city, I love our team, and I love my C of Red brothers and sisters. Look out for one another. Be safe, be respectful, be kind, and be loud! GO FLAMES GO!
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Thank you mkd. I think many are ignorant about how common sexual assault is, and why women don't feel safe.
http://www.businessinsider.com/why-j...ge-town-2015-4
His newest book, "Missoula: Rape and the Justice System in a College Town," dives into the home of the University of Montana, a city that has seen 230 rape cases in four years. Despite these seemingly staggering statistics, Missoula is "a pretty typical town," the author told NPR.
"I don't mean to single out Missoula: Its rape rate is a little less than the national average," Krakauer said. "I think its problems with dealing with rape are pretty depressingly typical."
There are other statistics about Missoula that seem to echo campus sexual assaults around the US. According to Krakauer, all of the 230 assaults in his book involved acquaintance rapes and, in most cases, the alleged rapist never received any punishment.
Missoula is everywhere.
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I was a reasonably active participant in the red mile back in 2004. I remember my wife (then girlfriend) coming home from her summer job in edmonton and asking to go down to the red mile. I was of course happy to oblige, but funny enough it wasn't until we were talking about this thread that she reminded me how as we waded through the crowds of people I walked with my arms wrapped around her, elbows out, to keep her "safe" from the groping crowds and aggressive fans.
Funny enough, if I, a male, thought it was unsafe for my girlfriend to be there without me "protecting" her from drunken dudes, then how safe could it really be for a woman alone, or a group of women.
I'm glad this discussion is being had, because without the benefit of this discussion, I'd probably look back at the 2004 red mile with red coloured glasses, instead the shine is wearing off a bit.
Actually, now that you mention it, I remember these stories. Literally girls with guys draped over them for protection (You weren't the only one). Or guys formed in circles to keep other guys out from the girls inside the group.
Hopefully it doesn't resort to this tonight with my fiance and I hoping to scope out the red mile for the first time.
Thanks for the post. It helps with understanding how unfair it is to have this happen. Like you said, not every female will feel the same, but the fact many do feel distress over it is enough reason to not do it. Just because a few seem to get off on the attention, it doesn't make it right.
I am kind of curious about your opinion on women/girls who do flash whether pressured to or just out of their own free will. Some people seem to think it's cool if it is their prerogative. Personally, I feel it just contributes to the problem.
I think it's a combination... Some do it because it's drunken fun, others are (generally speaking) trying to impress someone. A girl with low self-esteem on the Red Mile will probably get quite the kick out of the attention she receives by flashing; the chanting, the cheers, etc. It's a form of high, absolutely.
And absolutely it contributes to the problem but it's really a chicken/egg question.
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Would reported harassment count as a "sex offence" to the police?
Cause there hasn't been any reported assaults or sex offences on or near 17th within the last week (Hasn't been anything close since March 15th, early April for assault) and there is a heavy police presence there.
Obviously not saying there hasn't been any harassment, or that it's not a problem, but some perspective might help with the overwhelmingly negative attention that 17th is getting.
How about we stop grouping the entire "Red Mile" as one entity and start focusing on the individual idiots that are causing the problems. Next time you see someone chanting or harassing try and get a pic of them or something instead of labeling the entire event as a problem.
So let's get this straight. You're all bent out of shape over a "personal attack on a forum" but the very real personal attacks on women on the Red Mile, is no big deal? Alrighty then. Nothing skewed there at all.
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Would reported harassment count as a "sex offence" to the police?
Cause there hasn't been any reported assaults or sex offences on or near 17th within the last week (Hasn't been anything close since March 15th, early April for assault) and there is a heavy police presence there.
Obviously not saying there hasn't been any harassment, or that it's not a problem, but some perspective might help with the overwhelmingly negative attention that 17th is getting.
How about we stop grouping the entire "Red Mile" as one entity and start focusing on the individual idiots that are causing the problems. Next time you see someone chanting or harassing try and get a pic of them or something instead of labeling the entire event as a problem.
I don't think anyone here is advocating for an end to the Red Mile. I certainly am not. On the contrary, I just want to see some changes so that it can continue as a positive, fun institution in Calgary.
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what's the big deal about tits anyways? I don't see what's so offensive about topless women in public. But I am against harassment, women should be able to feel safe no matter where they go
I travel for work globally. I'd say 50% of my time is on the road. Even though I moved to Van just in time to miss the '04 run, when asked where I'm from, I always say I live in Vancouver, but I'm from Calgary. I still consider myself a proud Calgarian.
Images ranging from what the world saw of the Red Mile, thousands of people celebrating without destroying the city, to the co-operation and humanity Calgarians showed each other during the flood aftermath are why I still hold this pride so dear.
The BS and D'Baggery that spawned this thread makes me sick. Calgary you are better than that.
Thank-you mkd for your thoughtful and poignant post.
what's the big deal about tits anyways? I don't see what's so offensive about topless women in public. But I am against harassment, women should be able to feel safe no matter where they go
Wow - from under what rock did you crawl out?
"Women should be able to feel safe" - right, with hundreds of drunk males chanting at her to take off her shirt. With unasked-for and unwanted attention. With guys slapping her butt when all she is doing is walking down the road.
And, FWIW, I saw plenty of young kids on 17th Ave while driving back from Game 4. They of course, would think that it's just fine to have guys chanting at women. Right.
Crawl back under the rock, and re-emerge when you've grown up.
I travel for work globally. I'd say 50% of my time is on the road. Even though I moved to Van just in time to miss the '04 run, when asked where I'm from, I always say I live in Vancouver, but I'm from Calgary. I still consider myself a proud Calgarian.
Images ranging from what the world saw of the Red Mile, thousands of people celebrating without destroying the city, to the co-operation and humanity Calgarians showed each other during the flood aftermath are why I still hold this pride so dear.
The BS and D'Baggery that spawned this thread makes me sick. Calgary you are better than that.
Thank-you mkd for your thoughtful and poignant post.
We are better than that. It's an extremely small portion of people at the Red Mile doing this, and 2 or 3 posters here who don't think it's an issue. 99.9% of us are respectful hockey fans who want to have a fun time and want everyone to be included.
