Red Mile discussion #saferedmile

[DiracSpike]

How about this:

In the unlikely event of a woman showing her breasts, arrest her.
In the more likely event of some idiot starting a "show your ___ for _____" arrest him.

That way you remove all expectations of female nudity, the bros heading down to 17th will instead go to Budoir Rouge, and the rest of us can have fun with our buddies and celebrate a win with our fellow Flames fans, male or female.

This will hopefully remove a specific subset of drunk idiots, but people have to recognize that whenever alcohol and partying are involved, drunk idiots will always be involved. If you're a woman drunk idiots slap your butt, if you're a bigger guy like me drunk idiots get in fights with you. As usual it seems like a small minority of people is ruining it for a larger group of normal people and starting to give the city a bad name.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by ThisIsAnOutrage

I have a different perspective on the issue, Jiri. The same arguments, points, and counterpoints that are in this thread have popped up in a lot of places before appearing here: Cracked, Slate, Salon, etc. Sometimes the points are made in the context of discussing gamergate, sometimes in response to a random video of street harassment in another country, sometimes in response to an Op-Ed in the mainstream media. The contexts in which the arguments arise vary - be it video games, viral video or news piece - but the arguments themselves don't; they seem divorced from the context. It appears to be several groups on both sides of the debate agitating for a platform wherever they can find it and the context - here hockey- just doesn't seem to matter. So I don't think the discussion is hockey related and I come to FOI for pure, unadulterated hockey fun.

If that didn't matter, why have the Off-Topic Forum?

There are a thousand other threads where you can get that. Click on them.

[troutman]

Keep Your Red On

[polak]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

How about this:

In the unlikely event of a woman showing her breasts, arrest her.
In the more likely event of some idiot starting a "show your ___ for _____" arrest him.

That way you remove all expectations of female nudity, the bros heading down to 17th will instead go to Budoir Rouge, and the rest of us can have fun with our buddies and celebrate a win with our fellow Flames fans, male or female.

This will hopefully remove a specific subset of drunk idiots, but people have to recognize that whenever alcohol and partying are involved, drunk idiots will always be involved. If you're a woman drunk idiots slap your butt, if you're a bigger guy like me drunk idiots get in fights with you. As usual it seems like a small minority of people is ruining it for a larger group of normal people and starting to give the city a bad name.

You're going to arrest everyone who yells?

lol gestapo.

Just don't yell. If it's just one or two idiots yelling like it was when I went, no one is going to do anything and it won't catch on.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by polak

You're going to arrest everyone who yells?

lol gestapo.

Just don't yell. If it's just one or two idiots yelling like it was when I went, no one is going to do anything and it won't catch on.

That doesn't mean we can't throw those two fools running around yelling at women in the drunk tank for a night.

Maybe having to call pops from jail and explain that you're there for harassing women might get these people to shut up.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by ThisIsAnOutrage

I have a different perspective on the issue, Jiri. The same arguments, points, and counterpoints that are in this thread have popped up in a lot of places before appearing here: Cracked, Slate, Salon, etc. Sometimes the points are made in the context of discussing gamergate, sometimes in response to a random video of street harassment in another country, sometimes in response to an Op-Ed in the mainstream media. The contexts in which the arguments arise vary - be it video games, viral video or news piece - but the arguments themselves don't; they seem divorced from the context. It appears to be several groups on both sides of the debate agitating for a platform wherever they can find it and the context - here hockey- just doesn't seem to matter. So I don't think the discussion is hockey related and I come to FOI for pure, unadulterated hockey fun.

If that didn't matter, why have the Off-Topic Forum?

The off-topic forum is for topics that have nothing to do with hockey.
You can get pure, unadulterated hockey fun simply by not visiting the specific threads that aren't that.
But what makes this site great is the combination of casual sports talk, but also serious matters where sports is part of the conversation.

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by MattyC

That doesn't mean we can't throw those two fools running around yelling at women in the drunk tank for a night.

Maybe having to call pops from jail and explain that you're there for harassing women might get these people to shut up.

Exactly. Like Cappy said on the previous page, I imagine a lot of these guys were young in '04 and didn't get to go, and are trying to recreate that. I get it, I was 13 and not allowed down to 17th, and hearing stories about real life bewbs sounded awesome. But most of us that were in that age demographic then have had sex and girlfriends since so the enticement of some random pair isn't there anymore. Get those idiots out of there so the rest of us can have fun, male and female.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by ThisIsAnOutrage

I have a different perspective on the issue, Jiri. The same arguments, points, and counterpoints that are in this thread have popped up in a lot of places before appearing here: Cracked, Slate, Salon, etc. Sometimes the points are made in the context of discussing gamergate, sometimes in response to a random video of street harassment in another country, sometimes in response to an Op-Ed in the mainstream media. The contexts in which the arguments arise vary - be it video games, viral video or news piece - but the arguments themselves don't; they seem divorced from the context. It appears to be several groups on both sides of the debate agitating for a platform wherever they can find it and the context - here hockey- just doesn't seem to matter. So I don't think the discussion is hockey related and I come to FOI for pure, unadulterated hockey fun.

If that didn't matter, why have the Off-Topic Forum?

here's a pic of Russell's Red Mile.



could become quite a story if it's still unridden come stampede time.

[Bobblehead]

PuckDaddy reported today on Gary Bettman. Bettman was asked if the Winnipeg Whiteout chanting "Katy Perry" to Corey Perry was an issue the league was intending to address.

Bettman said the NHL has a track record of “diversity, inclusiveness and doing the right thing.” He noted the league has a bigger female fan base compared to other professional leagues.

He likened the “Katy Perry” insult to calling a goalie a “sieve.”

Another reporter, a woman, noted that “sieves don’t have feelings.”

“You don’t see how taunting a player by calling them a woman could be sexist?,” she said.

“I see the point but I don’t think it’s overly literal. Short of gagging everyone who comes to a game I’m not sure we can stifle that,” he said.

I don’t know how the Flames were able to make this plea for their fans to stop being misogynistic, harassing creeps with the use of official NHL fan gags, but somehow they pulled it off.

Unlike the Flames, perhaps Bettman feels all of this is systemic in society, and not an NHL problem. That it’s not his place to step up and say anything about it.

Look, I agree Bettman: It’s impossible for the NHL to police everything said or done by fans, be it in arenas or online.

But I also don’t think anyone’s asking for that.

I guess what we’re asking for is that the face of the League be as quick to sympathize with women who see the “Katy Perry” thing as another tire on the fire as he is when, say, an owner cries poverty. That the guy running the NHL take a step back and understand the bigger picture here for his female fan base rather than doing what he always does, which is dismiss valid criticisms of the League as being inconsequential.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-pu...170052337.html

[GioforPM]

I don't think the Katy Perry and Red Mile issues are comparable, so I don't see the Flames' comment on the Mile as very relevant to the Jets' fans chanting. Heck, I very much doubt Ken King would say anything about a similar chant at a Flames game (for all I know it's happened).

Asking Bettman to do something is pretty dumb.

[Philly06Cup]

Red Mile super tame. Expectations are too high. Come late 2nd round or 3rd round, it will be crazy.

[pylon]

What is the league supposed to do? Make 15,000 people stop chanting? Turn the lights off in the arena? Assess the team a penalty for a chant? It's obvious it's just low hanging fruit, and because his name is similar people are gonna use it. Nobody in that building, thinks he is a woman, or Katie Perry. Not one.

However, the one that always bugged me more than anything, and made me cringe, was the "Ricci's ugly!" chant. I would be more hurt by that chant, than someone calling me Katie Perry. Can you imagine the emotional damage you could end up with, having 20,000 people telling you, you are ugly? When it is obvious your aren't the best looking guy? It is emotional bullying to the absolute maximum. It's the stuff of nightmares, yet CP thought it was totally awesome! And I never saw one person defend Mike Ricci on this site.

10 X worse than a goofy Katie Perry chant. Because it is pointing out a visible, quantifiable flaw the guy has.

[polak]

Yeah the red mile issue appears to be cut and dry.

Katy Perry not so much.

[V]

Originally Posted by pylon

Nobody in that building, thinks he is a woman, or Katie Perry. Not one.

Are you sure??

[saillias]

I for one think Corey Perry is Katy Perry.

[RM14]

Does Mardi Gras receive this kind of negative attention?

[FlamesAddiction]

I told my wife about this discussion and what she said actually surprised me.

She said; "Well, if they just showed their boobs then people wouldn't have to harass them to...".

It gave me a bit of a chuckle, but her stance was basically a lot more tolerant of the harassment than I am (or most guys in this thread).

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I told my wife about this discussion and what she said actually surprised me.

She said; "Well, if they just showed their boobs then people wouldn't have to harass them to...".

It gave me a bit of a chuckle, but her stance was basically a lot more tolerant of the harassment than I am (or most guys in this thread).

I would like to meet your wife. I have a question to ask her.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by pylon

What is the league supposed to do? Make 15,000 people stop chanting? Turn the lights off in the arena? Assess the team a penalty for a chant? It's obvious it's just low hanging fruit, and because his name is similar people are gonna use it. Nobody in that building, thinks he is a woman, or Katie Perry. Not one.

However, the one that always bugged me more than anything, and made me cringe, was the "Ricci's ugly!" chant. I would be more hurt by that chant, than someone calling me Katie Perry. Can you imagine the emotional damage you could end up with, having 20,000 people telling you, you are ugly? When it is obvious your aren't the best looking guy? It is emotional bullying to the absolute maximum. It's the stuff of nightmares, yet CP thought it was totally awesome! And I never saw one person defend Mike Ricci on this site.

10 X worse than a goofy Katie Perry chant. Because it is pointing out a visible, quantifiable flaw the guy has.

Good lord.

The issue is not how Corey Perry feels about being called Katy Perry. We aren't concerned with hurting the player's feelings. He gets much worse on the ice every night.

The issue is how the several thousand women in the stands feel when an inherent aspect of who they are is used by a massive group of people to demean someone. Just as it would be for gay members of the crowd if they were chanting "Perry's Queer".

Do you understand what the issue is here?

As for what to DO about the issue, no one is suggesting the league or the team can stop fans from chanting something. All that they can do, and should do, is address it as an issue and take a stance against it. For the same reason, the Flames cannot stop Flames fans on 17th ave from chanting "SHOW US YOUR TITS". But they can take a stance against that behaviour, and they did, and they should be commended for it.

[polak]

CHL - Unlike the Red Mile issue, the feminism side is really making a big issue out of something that most women really don't care about. Go ask any girl on the street what she thinks about the Katy Perry - Corey Perry chant.

You're getting offended for the sake of getting offended.