[Rumour] Chiarelli meeting with the Oilers. UPD: press conference Friday to announce hiring?

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If they keep MacT and Lowe then no worries but they will have options to address these needs this summer. Perhaps they sign Cody Franson or Erhoff? A competent GM likely also shakes the core up by trading Hall or Eberle

It will be interesting to see where the cap space comes for guys like that considering both those guys are going to be around $6m cap hits and they aren't trading the big 4. Maybe they trade Pouliot, Ference, Nikatin and Purcell in cap dumps but those guys are all zero trade value guys except Pouliot. Trading those guys, as mediocre as they are, hurts because their depth is so bad with no one good obviously ready to take their places on cheaper deals.

Sadly for the oilers, this is where their drafting incompetence hurts them. No young trade assets outside of people they won't trade and no good young players available to step into depth roles. I honestly think their playoff drought will extend at least two more years. It's entirely possible they don't make the playoffs in any of McDavid's ELC years. They will push that streak of their's to 11 or 12 years IMO before they can fully turn it around, and that's giving them the benefit of the doubt. Their system is just that terrible at the moment. It took us 5 years to see our revamped approach to drafting bear fruit, I don't see why Edmonton would be different, assuming it improves at all.

[YogiBerra]

They could turn it around quickly if they trade one of their young guys for a defenseman. But who is going to be the first defenseman to jump on that sinking ship? Most decent veterans have a ntc they won't waive for edm if they have other options. So maybe they could get a young guy who doesn't have his ntc yet? Who is trading any good young defenseman for a winger or someone as unproven as draisatl? You know they aren't trading the nuge so they don't have many options.it is going to be hard for even a good gm to make impactful moves.

[Weitz]

With the emergence of Nashville's D I wonder if Weber could be pried for the right price.

The D on Nashville looks ridiculous even without Weber.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by YogiBerra

They could turn it around quickly if they trade one of their young guys for a defenseman. But who is going to be the first defenseman to jump on that sinking ship? Most decent veterans have a ntc they won't waive for edm if they have other options. So maybe they could get a young guy who doesn't have his ntc yet? Who is trading any good young defenseman for a winger or someone as unproven as draisatl? You know they aren't trading the nuge so they don't have many options.it is going to be hard for even a good gm to make impactful moves.

I'm not sure they can turn it around quickly, at least as far as results are concerned. It would take an immense roster turnover considering most of their player are conditioned to lose. Then it will take time to build chemistry again.

I predict a 2 to 3 year rebuild starting the minute they overhaul their management, even with McDavid.

[Funkhouser]

This stroke of good fortune in Oiler land is clearly due to the death of the original 'Edmonton is no good' thread.

We must bring it back immediately, whatever the servers cost...

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Weitz

With the emergence of Nashville's D I wonder if Weber could be pried for the right price.

The D on Nashville looks ridiculous even without Weber.

Nugent Hopkins and Eberle for Weber + Stalberg.

Would either side do that? I believe the money balances out.

[Azure]

Why would Nashville trade their captain?

[rubecube]

I actually have less of a problem with them getting better than I do with any of the current group of arrogant clowns getting credit for it.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Nugent Hopkins and Eberle for Weber + Stalberg.

Would either side do that? I believe the money balances out.

Edmonton wouldn't do it because they are dumb (Chiarielli notwithstanding). Nashville wouldn't do it because they are smart.

Would you trade Giordano and Russell for those two Oilers?

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Weitz

With the emergence of Nashville's D I wonder if Weber could be pried for the right price.

The D on Nashville looks ridiculous even without Weber.

Does he have a NMC?

Even if he waives (or has one at all, can't remember) the acquisition cost would be astronomical. Think back to the last two Pronger trades and add to them, that's a good starting point.

Eberle+2016 1st+Klefbom just as a starting point to get Nashville to listen, it's likely EDM adds significantly more given what a guy like Coburn fetched at the TDL. But I wouldn't be doing Edmonton any favors as a rival GM in the same conference, no sense in helping them beat you down the road. If I could find an equivalent package from an eastern team I would take that instead.

Edmonton should target Phaneuf, he could be had for less but he's half the Dman Weber is. Even with his warts, he's still twice as good as anyone currently on the oilers backend. But it still wouldn't be enough as you still need 2-3 more top 4 D. Edmonton's going to have to sell a lot of players/picks to fix their issues in the next few years to start winning and keep McDavid happy. Other GMs are going to be circling like vultures knowing the position the oilers are in, going to be hard to get good value IMO.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Weitz

With the emergence of Nashville's D I wonder if Weber could be pried for the right price.

The D on Nashville looks ridiculous even without Weber.

Doubtful. He's their captain and their leader. For all intents and purposes, he is the Nashville Predators. Josi or Jones could be had, but the price would be steeeeeep

[Weitz]

I think Weber's contract hurts his value some. That long term at that price point. I believe Nashville may see that they could move him for some forward support and might think they would be better off to do so. In my opinion they are losing to Chicago because they can't score enough.

I don't really want to comment on what it would take as I really don't know, but personally I would start at Eberle and add from there. I think these long term contracts really hurt trade value these days however.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Doubtful. He's their captain and their leader. For all intents and purposes, he is the Nashville Predators. Josi or Jones could be had, but the price would be steeeeeep

Don't you think you trade the older more expensive guy in an attempt to make a run at the cup?

Just spit balling here. Also not trying to derail the thread...

[skudr248]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Nugent Hopkins and Eberle for Weber + Stalberg.

Would either side do that? I believe the money balances out.

Gap tooth and Lanky for Weber and Stalberg... pff no way, Nashville aint dumb

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Don't you think you trade the older more expensive guy in an attempt to make a run at the cup?

Just spit balling here.

I don't think so. Trading Weber is changing their identity. He's not an aging role player, he's their identity: hard defense, hard shots. He's in his prime, so that would be silly. Maybe they do a trade like that in 4-5 years, but short of McDavid, the Oilers have nothing that would get Weber if I'm GM.

From the context of a team, players are more than just the skill they bring. What does it do to the locker room if you substitute RNH and Eberle for Weber? Who's going to grow the fierce playoff beard?

I don't see it happening. Like I said though, Jones and Josi could be had. Both are likely future nitrous candidates though, so the price would be more than what the Oilers would be prepared to trade I think.

#1D is >>>>>>> soft #2C or soft scoring winger

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Weitz

I think Weber's contract hurts his value some. That long term at that price point. I believe Nashville may see that they could move him for some forward support and might think they would be better off to do so. In my opinion they are losing to Chicago because they can't score enough.

I don't really want to comment on what it would take as I really don't know, but personally I would start at Eberle and add from there. I think these long term contracts really hurt trade value these days however.

If Weber gets traded it will be to a team that needs the cap hit as a lot of the dollars have already been paid to him, so in that sense it could be an asset. There is no way Nashville retains when so much $$ has already been paid out, or lets a team use it as leverage against them. A team like Carolina or Arizona (or Nashville lol) would look at his cap hit as more of asset than anything because there's not a lot of real money left to be paid and would help them stay above the floor.

[cannon7]

Chia better play hardball with Katz. Lowe and MacTavish need to be shown the door and Chia gets to be a part of the selection process for Lowe's replacement. Pretty much clear house day one. That's the only way this has any hope of working. Although I'm probably in the minority who wants to see the Battle of Alberta regain its relevance.

[CliffFletcher]

The Preds would be smarter to move Weber than Josi. Good GMs move players before they start to decline, not after. Poile would be an idiot to move Josi or Jones, given their trajectories and sweet deals.

A Hall + picks for Weber deal would work in a hockey and money sense. Doubt Weber would be especially keen, though.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The Preds would be smarter to move Weber than Josi. Good GMs move players before they start to decline, not after. Poile would be an idiot to move Josi or Jones, given their trajectories and sweet deals.

A Hall + picks for Weber deal would work in a hockey and money sense. Doubt Weber would be especially keen, though.

I'm not sure how Keen the preds will be either, they've already spent the bulk of the cash on Weber's deal, so they would be trading him and his lower-than-cap salary for what, a first line winger?

They already have Neal.

[Fire]

I don't see the Predators ever moving Weber. They are not a cap team and since the contract was really top heavy it's makes little sense for them to move him unless the package was unbelievable. The Oilers don't have any assets, besides the 2015 #1 overall pick, that the Predators would want in a trade for Weber. A one-dimensional over-paid Eberle wouldn't even come close.