[News] What the Flames are doing right and the Oilers not...

[Burn-Baby-Burn]

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/201...ilers-are-not/

Pretty "good" read from the Edmonton Journal about what the Flames are doing right..

[EldrickOnIce]

Charlie Brown covers it nicely, from the post mortem where they showed the Oilers same chart

[Yamer]

Always earned, never given

[Erick Estrada]

Wow. A fairly astute, well done article. He really nails it here;

PDO is short form for “luck” in some circles, in which case the Flames have been enjoying an uncommon run of it, from Game 1 right through Game 82. Others theorize that Calgary has enjoyed success deploying the stretch pass, a high-risk play where one price of failure is an icing call and more defensive zone time, but where occasionally success can pay off in a quick hurry. Measuring such a strategy in simple shots metrics like Corsi would be akin to measuring the success of a deep-pass football offence by first downs, when the actual objective is to score points.

Good to see some people realize that the Flames aren't getting by on luck alone.

[PeteMoss]

Always earned, never unsustainable

[Locke]

Came for No Good, saw wall of incomprehensible statistics.

[CSharp]

Winning!

[CaptainCrunch]

At least he tempered the advanced stats with understanding the Flames game plan and maybe watching a game.

So um good for him.

[Dan403]

#NeverQuit

[V]

Post could have been just one word. Everything.

[FlamesFanStrandedInEDM]

Not building a new arena anytime soon?

[Gaudfather]

[CanadaMatt]

Edmonton is No Good
Calgary is NOT No Good

This is where CORSI fails, they don't take into account the 'goodness' factor. Calgary has a 'goodness' ratio of 1, while Edmonton has a 'goodness' ratio of 0.01 (Rounding up). In order for CORSI to be accurate, these 'goodness' ratios need to be multiplied to any advanced statistical result as the qualitative aspect of the formula.

So short answer to your question, Calgary has a higher 'goodness' Ratio.

[Resolute 14]

At the most basic level, what we are doing right and they are doing wrong is drafting.

Our first rounders look like they will end up sawing off at this point, but the Flames are where they are because they have pulled several key players from the 2nd-4th rounds.

[Hockey Fan #751]

Just look at the defencemen and goaltenders of each team and it helps paint a very clear picture why one team is good and one is not. Goes to show that you really do build your team from the back-end out. Edmonton hasn't figured that out yet.

They'll draft third this year and take Strome, just watch.

[jar_e]

I thought this thread would have ended with "everything"?

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

At the most basic level, what we are doing right and they are doing wrong is drafting.

Our first rounders look like they will end up sawing off at this point, but the Flames are where they are because they have pulled several key players from the 2nd-4th rounds.

seeing petry doing well with the habs, dubnyk doing well with the wild, reider doing well with the yotes, cogliano doing well with the ducks, going back a bit but guys like stoll/greene doing well witht he kings, does somewhat paint a little bit of a different picture.

Yes, their drafting has definitely not been good at all. That being said, there is more broken here than drafting itself, where the franchise has not been able to appropriately develop or assess the players that they do draft well.

realize your post isn't stating that you disagree with this at all, but when i read it, i immediately thought of players they have drafted that have gotten better only after leaving the org.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

seeing petry doing well with the habs, dubnyk doing well with the wild, reider doing well with the yotes, cogliano doing well with the ducks, going back a bit but guys like stoll/greene doing well witht he kings, does somewhat paint a little bit of a different picture.

Yes, their drafting has definitely not been good at all. That being said, there is more broken here than drafting itself, where the franchise has been able to appropriately develop or assess the players that they do draft well.

realize your post isn't stating that you disagree with this at all, but when i read it, i immediately thought of players they have drafted that have gotten better only after leaving the org.

Outside of Reider, who isn't anything that special, none of those guys were drafted after 2006. That's nine years ago. They quite literally have nothing drafted after the first round since then.

[bubbsy]

fair enough.

[pylon]

Oh hey, look.... more advanced stats.