Sean Monahan playing hurt?

[InBurkeWeTrust]

Originally Posted by FBI

There was one setup from Johnny that I thought Monahan would have normally scored on 90% of the time. So I was wondering if his shot was a little off as well..

Exact thing I told my gf.. I was like "that's normally in the back of the net."

[cannon7]

Hope Monahan is OK, but if he's not I'd rather rest him and put someone healthy in that #1 C than risk more serious injury. We need Monahan next season and years to come, too. If it's just something that will require minor shoulder surgery or something after the postseason then I'd still give him protected minutes, but I assume Hartley knows best.

[CliffFletcher]

There's clearly something wrong with Monahan physically, probably his shoulder. As Duhastchek commented this morning, you just have to hope it's one of those things that gets better day by day, rather than one of those injuries that won't improved until it's addressed in the off-season.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by AcGold

He lost 8 of 8 faceoffs, didn't get tripped, he fell onto his face and couldn't stand upright under his own strength. That's way more than a bit banged up, he went from best player on the team to a liability. That doesn't just happen randomly.

Did he crawl to the bench or did another player help him up?

He was absolutely not a liability. He was, in fact, better than Hudler IMO. If he was such a liability, why did Hartley play him more than any other forward? He didn't have to - there were options and other lines playing well.

He's lost plenty of faceoffs in a game before without being hurt. He's still working on them, and aside from the Coyotes and Oiler laughers, he's been sub-par for a month now. In fact, he was well over 50% in the offensive zone. He had a bad night against Henrik and Richardson, but he was only 1-3 against Horvat (not great but not owned) and he was 100% against Bonino. Keep in mind too, that Vancouver got a lot of draws where it looked like they lost but the chased the puck through the draw or got a winger win.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by AcGold

He lost 8 of 8 faceoffs, didn't get tripped, he fell onto his face and couldn't stand upright under his own strength. That's way more than a bit banged up, he went from best player on the team to a liability. That doesn't just happen randomly.

OR he has the flu.

Seriously guys everyone is jumping to the conclusion his shoulder is slowing him down, but it's probably more likely the flu is the bigger issue.

To say Monahan has gone from the best player to a liability is a huge overreaction.

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by cracher

Going off memory which, during playoffs, may not be at its best. In the LA post-game interview, Hartley referenced paying a "high price" in winning the clinching game. He did not specify what that price way.

Hmmm. If I had to guess, it's either him or Hudler. Neither looked quite right.

They mentioned during the game they believe it was a hit by Regehr.

Frickin Reggie; was singlehandedly trying to destroy our top line that game. Was hacking at Hudler all game too. Always loved the guy, but I think we got a firsthand taste of why Oiler fans despised him all those years.


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[GioforPM]

Most of the lost draws by Monahan were against Henrik, who also went 7 for 7 against Backlund (and was 79% for the night - only Stajan had his number).

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

I heard they amputated both his arms.

that was Stone

[united]

Originally Posted by Fire

Hasn't it been confirmed that he's wearing bigger shoulder pads. Must be a shoulder injury.

I heard that last night, too, but based on the video posted here he is wearing the same shoulder pads he has all season:
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...&postcount=551

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

OR he has the flu.

Seriously guys everyone is jumping to the conclusion his shoulder is slowing him down, but it's probably more likely the flu is the bigger issue.

To say Monahan has gone from the best player to a liability is a huge overreaction.

Or it was just one game where he didn't play particularly well. It happens.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Did he crawl to the bench or did another player help him up?

He was absolutely not a liability. He was, in fact, better than Hudler IMO. If he was such a liability, why did Hartley play him more than any other forward? He didn't have to - there were options and other lines playing well.

He's lost plenty of faceoffs in a game before without being hurt. He's still working on them, and aside from the Coyotes and Oiler laughers, he's been sub-par for a month now. In fact, he was well over 50% in the offensive zone. He had a bad night against Henrik and Richardson, but he was only 1-3 against Horvat (not great but not owned) and he was 100% against Bonino. Keep in mind too, that Vancouver got a lot of draws where it looked like they lost but the chased the puck through the draw or got a winger win.

Monahan having by far one of his worst games as a Flame then you compare it to Hudler whom is also off his game? He started 0 for 8 and fell on his face and stayed there for more than an instant under his own freewill, sure he was better than Hudler some times but they were both pretty bad. TOI is not indicative of a positive performance. How can you really defend an 0 and 8 start with little to no puck possession and an inability to stay upright?

How is being one of the worst players on the team not being a liability? Sure everyone has their off games and maybe he'll get a hat trick next game, it is what is and doesn't make sense to defend one of Monahan's worst Flames games ever. Has he ever been 25% or less in faceoffs? I'm not piling up or criticizing him but what happened happened and it confuses me why you guys are ignoring the obvious.

[azzarish]

I don't think there is much wrong him judging by the way he was moving.

I honestly think it might just be the flu.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Monahan having by far one of his worst games as a Flame then you compare it to Hudler whom is also off his game? He started 0 for 8 and fell on his face and stayed there for more than an instant under his own freewill, sure he was better than Hudler some times but they were both pretty bad. TOI is not indicative of a positive performance. How can you really defend an 0 and 8 start with little to no puck possession and an inability to stay upright?

How is being one of the worst players on the team not being a liability? Sure everyone has their off games and maybe he'll get a hat trick next game, it is what is and doesn't make sense to defend one of Monahan's worst Flames games ever. Has he ever been 25% or less in faceoffs? I'm not piling up or criticizing him but what happened happened and it confuses me why you guys are ignoring the obvious.

You keep going on about him falling on his face and not getting up right away. I don't remember seeing this but maybe he fell on his face and was thinking "Ow my face", rather than it being some big issue like you are suggesting?

Also if he started 0 for 8 he finished 3 for 4, so looks like he bounced back.

And it looks like he has come close to 25% two other times, 29.41% and 27.27%. He also had 12 games where he was in the 30%'s.

[zyzz]

I find it funny that this said injury was only leaked a few days ago. If nothing was mentioned this thread doesn't exsist. It's now under the CP microscope. Unless the injury happened against LA, I see no cause for concern. I do hope he's ok tho, Flames can't afford him out.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Monahan having by far one of his worst games as a Flame then you compare it to Hudler whom is also off his game? He started 0 for 8 and fell on his face and stayed there for more than an instant under his own freewill, sure he was better than Hudler some times but they were both pretty bad. TOI is not indicative of a positive performance. How can you really defend an 0 and 8 start with little to no puck possession and an inability to stay upright?

How is being one of the worst players on the team not being a liability? Sure everyone has their off games and maybe he'll get a hat trick next game, it is what is and doesn't make sense to defend one of Monahan's worst Flames games ever. Has he ever been 25% or less in faceoffs? I'm not piling up or criticizing him but what happened happened and it confuses me why you guys are ignoring the obvious.

Do you have a clip of this play you keep mentioning? Because I don't remember it (though that's not saying much considering the state I was in) and am concerned about it.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Monahan having by far one of his worst games as a Flame then you compare it to Hudler whom is also off his game? He started 0 for 8 and fell on his face and stayed there for more than an instant under his own freewill, sure he was better than Hudler some times but they were both pretty bad. TOI is not indicative of a positive performance. How can you really defend an 0 and 8 start with little to no puck possession and an inability to stay upright?

How is being one of the worst players on the team not being a liability? Sure everyone has their off games and maybe he'll get a hat trick next game, it is what is and doesn't make sense to defend one of Monahan's worst Flames games ever. Has he ever been 25% or less in faceoffs? I'm not piling up or criticizing him but what happened happened and it confuses me why you guys are ignoring the obvious.

On Hartley's team TOI is an indication of what Hartley thinks the player has done so far, and what he is going to do, so positive poerformance or not - it's an indication of whether he is a liability or not, and whether Hartley thinks he's hurt.

25% is low, but that number easily changes because its based on a really small totall (12 draws). He has in fact had 27 and 29% nights in the last couple months, and been in the 30s many times as well (which really amounts to a one or two faceoff difference). Had he won a scramble draw (and there were lots) he'd be at 33% which he's done a bunch of times this year. Two more and he's at 41% which is close to an average night for him.

This was hardly his worst game either. He was not a defensive liability - he just couldn't find a lot of room.

[MonahanFan]

I don't think it's illogical or without good reason to flat out state that Sean Monahan, at 80% health, is better than any player on the Canucks. And that includes the Sedin sisters and Vrbata.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Hopefully Monahan can borrow some of Giordano's ultra healing Vegan Berry Powder.

[mrkajz44]

I think it was two things:

1) Has the flu or some sickness. Everyone likes to think that an illness doesn't really slow us down, but it does

2) Effective line match-ups by Vancouver. I was shocked that Monahan had 20 minutes of ice time because I don't remember him with a ton of offensive time. Seems like that line was just hemmed in and effectively matched by Vancouver.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

I think it was two things:

1) Has the flu or some sickness. Everyone likes to think that an illness doesn't really slow us down, but it does

2) Effective line match-ups by Vancouver. I was shocked that Monahan had 20 minutes of ice time because I don't remember him with a ton of offensive time. Seems like that line was just hemmed in and effectively matched by Vancouver.

Apparently Desjardins doesn't match lines, though I agere the MOnahan line was trapped in the first period a lot (partly because the long breakout pass was taken away).