[News] Bruins fire General Manager Peter Chiarelli

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Poe969

He's made some terrible trades and ultimately what he got for Seguin has been the downfall of that team. It's good to see the B's on the decline.

People need to go back and look at Eriksson's stats at the time Chiarelli picked him up. In the last three full seasons before the trade Eriksson had 71, 73, and 71 points. He was 27 at the time of the trade, and a legitimate first-line winger. Nobody could have anticipated he would suffer multiple concussions shortly after joining the Bruins.

And yeah, Seguin is scoring a lot of points. But now he's getting benched by his new team for discipline issues. The guy is talented, but he has a bad attitude, and it's looking like it might not turn around with age.

[Da_Chief]

For those blaming him for Seguin trade he's the one who brought them Seguin so it shouldn't be held against him. Of course in hindsight that was a bad trade but Seguin was a problem in Boston. He still has issues in Dallas (being late to meeting/practise 3 times recently).

Even from the Seguin trade he has Reilly Smith to show for it.

Chia timeline.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=681274

Highlights:
Believed in Timmy Thomas and gave him an extension
Acquired Siedenberg for cheap
Acquired Horton who helped them win a Cup

There's no doubt his mandate was to win and that's why he went and traded some futures and won a cup. Would he take back the Seguin trade? probably but if it wasn't for him they never would've had Seguin and Hamilton.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

The line between winning and losing is so thin in the NHL that you simply don't have the luxury to show loyalty to someone for the sake of it. A couple bad moves can seriously set you back in this league from where you can't recover, if you don't have full confidence in the guy making those moves then its time for a change.

Agreed, in the ultra-competitive world of pro sports, a successful org is going to have to have high standards.

Vancouver did well firing Gillis after last year and Boston made the right call here. Pittsburgh made the right call getting rid of Shero after last year... but replaced him with a bigger doofus.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

For those blaming him for Seguin trade he's the one who brought them Seguin so it shouldn't be held against him. Of course in hindsight that was a bad trade but Seguin was a problem in Boston. He still has issues in Dallas (being late to meeting/practise 3 times recently).

Even from the Seguin trade he has Reilly Smith to show for it.

Chia timeline.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=681274

Highlights:
Believed in Timmy Thomas and gave him an extension
Acquired Siedenberg for cheap
Acquired Horton who helped them win a Cup

There's no doubt his mandate was to win and that's why he went and traded some futures and won a cup. Would he take back the Seguin trade? probably but if it wasn't for him they never would've had Seguin and Hamilton.

Yeah, but a GM can't sit on past success.

He has not been an elite/high-end GM since the Bruins won the cup, and that is what cost him his job.

[Erick Estrada]

As Mario Lemieux can attest moves like this don't necessarily put the ship back on course if the guy you pick as a replacement is a downgrade on the GM you just fired.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by saillias

Agreed, in the ultra-competitive world of pro sports, a successful org is going to have to have high standards.

Vancouver did well firing Gillis after last year and Boston made the right call here. Pittsburgh made the right call getting rid of Shero after last year... but replaced him with a bigger doofus.

If anything your examples show the problems of sitting with a bad GM and hoping he rights the ship. Shero and Gillis should have been gone years before they actually were and set their teams back.

[bubbsy]

being in cap hell is inevitable for any NHL team that has been able to acheive "success" for a period of 3+ years in a row. The cap is a major detriment to the longevity of winning, and i suppose it's meant to be as it accelerates the whole "cyclical nature" of team building bringing the desired parity to the game.

I don't think he can be "blamed" for the cap hell, however, he hasn't shown the ability to get creative as far as asset management is concerned, the way the hawks have been able to get out of cap issues by replenishing the franchise with assets for the next future wave to help the foundational core of the roster. Though i don't know if firing him for it is warranted, at least not yet.

Now, miscalculating what peices are "core" vs "non-core" when moves are required is where he could be fired. The Seguin deal was terrible. giving up on a 20 year old who's already clearly on the path to be an elite NHL'er due to some behavioral issues doesn't seem right. For Seguin to turn around and become the 7th best point getter and top5 goal scorer in the league the year after being moved, i think likely pushed managements hand on pulling the trigger here.

curious where he lands. A cup winning GM like him will definitely be in demand. My humble opinion is that this was a overly reactionary move by the bruins to a poor season, he shouldn't have been let go, as good GMs don't grow on trees and are likely more important to a franchise winning a cup than any star player.

[automaton 3]

They needed more young players to make the team and outperform their contracts, which also would have allowed them to move non-core vets out for more picks - this is where Chicago in particular has been very successful.

Looking back, their drafting record is not great.

The Iginla experiment was good for them at the time, but they paid the price with the bonuses and the cap overage.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Good! I hope this means the Bruins are terrible for the next ten years. That city has experienced nothing but championship teams, it's time they got a dose of failure.

[Vinny01]

Made some great trades, and built a solid contender which included winning a cup.

Leafs could hire him, the Oilers should.

His biggest mistake was the Seguin trade but he also signed some long term deals for guys that will be well into their mid-late 30's.

Crazy though a Cup final, Presidents trophy, 96pt playoff miss and he is done

[Meers]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Crazy though a Cup final, Presidents trophy, 96pt playoff miss and he is done

No it isn't. That's what good organizations do - demand success and penalize failure.

What bad organizations do is reward failure. Edmonton is the perfect example of that. The fact that Klowe and TMac still have jobs when Chiarelli has lost his tells you eveything you need to know about those two franchises.

[habernac]

Originally Posted by Meers

No it isn't. That's what good organizations do - demand success and penalize failure.

What bad organizations do is reward failure. Edmonton is the perfect example of that. The fact that Klowe and TMac still have jobs when Chiarelli has lost his tells you eveything you need to know about those two franchises.

I hate the Bruins. The Bruins barely missed the playoffs when their best defenseman missed a ton of games. He made some cap errors but this is a terrible move by the Bruins.

[FlamesAddiction]

I agree with those saying that his overall body of work might not justify being let go after barely missing the playoffs, but firing isn't always entirely based on win and losses. There is the possibility that there were differences in opinion regarding direction or other conflicts that were easier to hide when the team competing for the Cup. Missing the playoffs could just be perfect timing to pull the trigger.

[liamenator]

I'm not sure what the succession plan in Ottawa is (if there is one), but I can see Chiarelli returning there as Murray's heir apparent. He's from Ottawa, attended law school there, and worked in the organization for 7 years before going to Boston.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

People need to go back and look at Eriksson's stats at the time Chiarelli picked him up. In the last three full seasons before the trade Eriksson had 71, 73, and 71 points. He was 27 at the time of the trade, and a legitimate first-line winger. Nobody could have anticipated he would suffer multiple concussions shortly after joining the Bruins.

And yeah, Seguin is scoring a lot of points. But now he's getting benched by his new team for discipline issues. The guy is talented, but he has a bad attitude, and it's looking like it might not turn around with age.

Sure, Seguin isn't the best "team player" but even if Eriksson would have kept playing the way he was, it wouldn't have been a fair deal for the B's. He should have got a lot more for Seguin like the B's should have got a lot more for Thorton. He sacrificed the future in Seguin for a sot at the cup for a couple of years, they won the cup and made it to the finals again and that was the benefit of sacrificing futures for a better shot. Right now the team could use a young #1 centre on that team but he gave that up and now he's paying for it.

[dammage79]

Well, the owner did say heads were going to roll if they missed the playoffs. He stuck to his word.

If I were a betting man, he'll end up in T.O. Makes a ton of sense. He's a builder.

[Captaincanada80]

Maybe they are wanting feaster before someone else snatches him up?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Meers

No it isn't. That's what good organizations do - demand success and penalize failure.

What bad organizations do is reward failure. Edmonton is the perfect example of that. The fact that Klowe and TMac still have jobs when Chiarelli has lost his tells you eveything you need to know about those two franchises.

So you fully expect Dean Lombardi to be fired then since the 95pt Kings missed the playoffs?

It would be what a good organization does right?

[Vinny01]

I wonder if Ottawa is a possibility? He was with the organization before and Murray may just hold the PHO position and hire a GM?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I wonder if Ottawa is a possibility? He was with the organization before and Murray may just hold the PHO position and hire a GM?

Tough conditions to build a cup contender there are they will never likely be a cap team.