#freethenipple protest

[KevanGuy]

Originally Posted by FireFly

I just read your article Thor and I agree there is nothing shameful about the female form. The big issue is not that there is something shameful about it, but that others would use it as a weapon. I am not ashamed of my body and i would love to walk around topless on occasion however there is a very real threat that what is mine and mine alone to share would then become available for public consumption on the internet.

It is not for women to change their mindset, it is for men to change.

If you're OK showing your body in public why would you care if a picture of it is on the internet?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by KevanGuy

If you're OK showing your body in public why would you care if a picture of it is on the internet?

Would i feel comfortable with someone taking my picture and posting it somewhere when I'm fully clothed?

There is a creepiness when someone archives it.

[TorqueDog]

The problem is that, in public, it is simply unrealistic to think that even if someone doesn't pull out a cell phone and snap a picture that it won't be captured elsewhere. Enough buildings have security cameras surrounding their premises, not to mention traffic cameras on our intersections, that you are pretty well constantly being captured on film somewhere (that's not to say someone is 'monitoring your every move', let's not get stupid), but it isn't anything unheard of to see security camera footage 'leaked'.

[AcGold]

It's a societal issue, in parts of Europe a nipple to them will go easily unnoticed. Nudity is allowed in the newspapers even, people just don't care.

If it was legal here there'd be a definite adjustment period. Males rarely see breasts in the flesh so making such a big change would definitely have an adjustment period but after a while the fear of having pictures taken would fade away as the males become desensitized.

Men just naturally want to see them so forming a society where it's taboo to show them then making it not taboo would most definitely result in a lot of staring and picture taking initially. I like the way it is in Europe, people are so comfortable about themselves and matters of sex are treated more naturally and with less awkwardness. If you show your body there people might not even notice if they are busy enough. Just look at how men behave here during the red mile, we go crazy, legalize the nips and in a few years people wouldn't care.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Daradon

I know of two nude beaches in Canada, others may know of more.

And yes, as far as the culture goes, Canada views sex far more liberally than the States. Even some European nations.

When you watch movies, or shows like GoT here, you'll notice their ratings are generally one less than the States, because of sensibilities to nudity and sex.

Personally I'd have no problem with women having the right to be topless. In fact, I only think it's fair. However, it might be less fun. In the long run anyway.

And kinda gross more often than it would be hot. But I guess that's a sexist way of looking at it?

I guess there are 5 nude beaches in Canada. I used to go to Wreck Beach in 60s + 70s when my sister made it a regular thing to do. Seeing my sister nude was a little strange but she had some hot girlfriends.

http://www.macleans.ca/society/life/...-nude-beaches/

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by KevanGuy

If you're OK showing your body in public why would you care if a picture of it is on the internet?

I think that there is a massive difference between someone else taking an image and posting it on the internet and someone doing something of their own volition. That and the supposed immortality of images on the internet, relative to the fleeting image that one possesses in their memory. It is just different in most any respect possible, if someone sends me a topless photo and then I share that on the internet, it is different than me being the only person to see it.

I should also say that once someone is past the age of 18 seeing breasts really isn't the big deal that it once was and the sexualization aspect goes out the wayside as well for the most part.

[To Be Quite Honest]

The violation is only done when a picture of ANYONE is taken on private property without the consent of the person involved. The fact that men and women decide to walk around without a shirt is beside the point.

I also laugh at people who complain the shows like GoT, Banshee have a lot of topless women but none of that man junk. It was even in the Calgary Sun today. Boobs are not genitalia.

[neo45]

^both of those shows have shown male genatalia as well

[Thor]

Originally Posted by FireFly

I just read your article Thor and I agree there is nothing shameful about the female form. The big issue is not that there is something shameful about it, but that others would use it as a weapon. I am not ashamed of my body and i would love to walk around topless on occasion however there is a very real threat that what is mine and mine alone to share would then become available for public consumption on the internet.

It is not for women to change their mindset, it is for men to change.

Exactly this. One of the best posts on twitter by a young man here in Iceland where he said candidly at first he got turned on by all the pics, and then after a while he was like, umm this is no big deal anymore.

I just loved the solidarity and confidence of these young women, it created a great discussion and in the end it was a positive for sure, albeit some stupidity by the MRA idiots.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

The violation is only done when a picture of ANYONE is taken on private property without the consent of the person involved. The fact that men and women decide to walk around without a shirt is beside the point.

I also laugh at people who complain the shows like GoT, Banshee have a lot of topless women but none of that man junk. It was even in the Calgary Sun today. Boobs are not genitalia.

lol the amount of male genitalia on TV and movies in EU is a bit of a shock at first when you move out here, but after a while its no big deal.

[doctajones428]

How about this:

Both genders, cover your tits.

Problem solved.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by doctajones428

How about this:

Both genders Fat people, cover your tits.

Problem solved.

Now the problem is solved.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by KevanGuy

If you're OK showing your body in public why would you care if a picture of it is on the internet?

Walking around in public probably hundreds of people see it. Maybe thousands. On the internet the potential is billions. If I'm walking around, I probably won't be stopped so someone can fap to my tits. On the internet, they might.

If I am in public, I am still the only one in control of my body and if I become uncomfortable with other's reactions, I can cover myself again. Once I'm on the internet, I no longer have some sense of control over things.

In addition, have you seen how people spew hate on the internet? That's just what I want; anonymous people slamming my tits in a way the whole world can point and laugh. You just don't get that in person. I am not about to put myself in a position when I can be cyber-bullied.

There's a whole slew of reasons why I wouldn't want my pictures on the internet but in public is fine. That you even asked shows exactly why I don't go around topless.... someone out there thinks that since you're in public, you are asking for photos to be posted on the internet.

[polak]

There are some weird ass looking nips out there...

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Walking around in public probably hundreds of people see it. Maybe thousands. On the internet the potential is billions. If I'm walking around, I probably won't be stopped so someone can fap to my tits. On the internet, they might.

If I am in public, I am still the only one in control of my body and if I become uncomfortable with other's reactions, I can cover myself again. Once I'm on the internet, I no longer have some sense of control over things.

In addition, have you seen how people spew hate on the internet? That's just what I want; anonymous people slamming my tits in a way the whole world can point and laugh. You just don't get that in person. I am not about to put myself in a position when I can be cyber-bullied.

There's a whole slew of reasons why I wouldn't want my pictures on the internet but in public is fine. That you even asked shows exactly why I don't go around topless.... someone out there thinks that since you're in public, you are asking for photos to be posted on the internet.

You know what FireFly I agree, and I will say that my opinion has changed on this topic. I use to think that if women didn't want to have their photo taken then don't take your top off. In fact I voiced this opinion when what's her face Kate was photographed using a high power lense.

Now, I agree with you and I think you hit the nail on the head when you said:

It is not for women to change their mindset, it is for men to change.

I have changed my mindset.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Walking around in public probably hundreds of people see it. Maybe thousands. On the internet the potential is billions. If I'm walking around, I probably won't be stopped so someone can fap to my tits. On the internet, they might.

If I am in public, I am still the only one in control of my body and if I become uncomfortable with other's reactions, I can cover myself again. Once I'm on the internet, I no longer have some sense of control over things.

In addition, have you seen how people spew hate on the internet? That's just what I want; anonymous people slamming my tits in a way the whole world can point and laugh. You just don't get that in person. I am not about to put myself in a position when I can be cyber-bullied.

There's a whole slew of reasons why I wouldn't want my pictures on the internet but in public is fine. That you even asked shows exactly why I don't go around topless.... someone out there thinks that since you're in public, you are asking for photos to be posted on the internet.

Your point is totally valid. Completely. It's not what this is about though.

The point is not should you go topless. For your reasons I wouldn't either.

The point is you should have the right to make that choice and be free from legal/societal ramifications either way

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Your point is totally valid. Completely. It's not what this is about though.

The point is not should you go topless. For your reasons I wouldn't either.

The point is you should have the right to make that choice and be free from legal/societal ramifications either way

Indeed, but I was responding to a question asking why I would mind pictures posted on the internet if I was okay with walking around topless.

It shouldn't even be a question... I SHOULD be free from societal ramifications but I'm not and so you won't see these tits on the Red Mile.

[polak]

Losing boobs as a "sexual taboo" would be a bit of a drag. As a boobs guy, that's the best part of a girl getting naked. Turn that into a normal day thing and that won't be much fun. So from my personal selfish aspect I'm against this :P

Just to play a bit of devils advocate.... I wonder how women with less than attractive breasts will feel about this? There is a seriously large range of how boobs can look. I'm sure many of them find solace in the fact that every girl is forced to cover up. If this free the nip thing ever really really catches on (and we became even more liberal about breasts than people in Europe), wearing a top on the beach could eventually turn into the equivalent of wearing a shirt in the pool.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by polak

Losing boobs as a "sexual taboo" would be a bit of a drag. As a boobs guy, that's the best part of a girl getting naked. Turn that into a normal day thing and that won't be much fun. So from my personal selfish aspect I'm against this :P

Just to play a bit of devils advocate.... I wonder how women with less than attractive breasts will feel about this? There is a seriously large range of how boobs can look. I'm sure many of them find solace in the fact that every girl is forced to cover up. If this free the nip thing ever really really catches on (and we became even more liberal about breasts than people in Europe), wearing a top on the beach could eventually turn into the equivalent of wearing a shirt in the pool.

grow up

[polak]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

grow up

why?

It's something that can have a great effect on how some one views themselves. There are tons of girls who are self conscious about how they look topless.