2014/2015 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Anduril]

Originally Posted by Dienasty

Gio will cost us (key piece), Backlund can be replaced by Arnold/Jankowski or Granlund. Monahan and Gaudreau are key pieces so you pay them but they are RFA's so you have significant leverage, Bouma you would like to keep but Wolf/Hathaway/Ferland can fill in.

Engelland and his 3M come off in 2017, Hiller and his 4.5 come off next year and Ramo and his 3M this year, not to mention we have 13M free per hockey buzz which includes 28 players we only need to carry 23. Also the cap has historically gone up (every year so far).

If the Hawks can pay Keith/Seabrook/Toews/Kane/Hjalmarrson/Sharp the Flames can afford Gio/Brodie/Monahan/Gaudreau/Bennett in 4-5 years

Arnold/Jankowski/Granlund have yet to show that they are middle 6 centres capable of two way play while putting up 0.5ppg. Even as RFAs with significant leverage, if you look at somebody like Evander Kane as a comparison, you're still looking at least 5M if Gaudreau and Monahan continue to put up 60pt seasons.
Bouma has been a great heart and soul guy who's now scoring. An extra million for his continued style of play even without the offense is worth it. If Wolf/Hathaway/Ferland could fill in, we would have seen some evidence of that this year. None of them are quite at that level or bring the same kind of heart-on-sleeve passion.

Goalies you can't quite count on because you never know what will end up happening. We may just keep Hiller or Ramo while they continue double teaming with Ortio or perhaps nobody pans out so we'll have to dip into FA for another capable backup/starter.

The Hawks can barely afford to pay for Keith/Seabrook/Toews/Kane/Hjalmarrson/Sharp/Hossa. I'm sure the Flames will have no trouble with Gio/Brodie/Monahan/Gaudreau/Bennett but my point stands that you don't sign ROR to a 7x7 deal because of how this could hurt this team down the road when you're better off remaining patient for a couple years and assessing what you need.

[Hackey]

Wouldn't mind O'Reilly but I think he will get paid more than he's worth. I think we can find a better use of that money.

[Dienasty]

Originally Posted by Anduril

Arnold/Jankowski/Granlund have yet to show that they are middle 6 centres capable of two way play while putting up 0.5ppg. Even as RFAs with significant leverage, if you look at somebody like Evander Kane as a comparison, you're still looking at least 5M if Gaudreau and Monahan continue to put up 60pt seasons.
Bouma has been a great heart and soul guy who's now scoring. An extra million for his continued style of play even without the offense is worth it. If Wolf/Hathaway/Ferland could fill in, we would have seen some evidence of that this year. None of them are quite at that level or bring the same kind of heart-on-sleeve passion.

Goalies you can't quite count on because you never know what will end up happening. We may just keep Hiller or Ramo while they continue double teaming with Ortio or perhaps nobody pans out so we'll have to dip into FA for another capable backup/starter.

The Hawks can barely afford to pay for Keith/Seabrook/Toews/Kane/Hjalmarrson/Sharp/Hossa. I'm sure the Flames will have no trouble with Gio/Brodie/Monahan/Gaudreau/Bennett but my point stands that you don't sign ROR to a 7x7 deal because of how this could hurt this team down the road when you're better off remaining patient for a couple years and assessing what you need.

If you look at Matt Duchene/PK Subban or Ryan Johannsen as comparison you will see that they got bridge contracts before arbitration rights.

Not sure why ROR is getting 7X7... On a longer term deal he would be at 6M if he wanted a three year deal is would be at 7M at least that is what I would view it at. The only reason why he got 6.5 this season was for arb rights and his raise to qualify. On a long term deal I think he knows he isn't getting 7M per.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Anduril

Arnold/Jankowski/Granlund have yet to show that they are middle 6 centres capable of two way play while putting up 0.5ppg. Even as RFAs with significant leverage, if you look at somebody like Evander Kane as a comparison, you're still looking at least 5M if Gaudreau and Monahan continue to put up 60pt seasons.
Bouma has been a great heart and soul guy who's now scoring. An extra million for his continued style of play even without the offense is worth it. If Wolf/Hathaway/Ferland could fill in, we would have seen some evidence of that this year. None of them are quite at that level or bring the same kind of heart-on-sleeve passion.

Goalies you can't quite count on because you never know what will end up happening. We may just keep Hiller or Ramo while they continue double teaming with Ortio or perhaps nobody pans out so we'll have to dip into FA for another capable backup/starter.

The Hawks can barely afford to pay for Keith/Seabrook/Toews/Kane/Hjalmarrson/Sharp/Hossa. I'm sure the Flames will have no trouble with Gio/Brodie/Monahan/Gaudreau/Bennett but my point stands that you don't sign ROR to a 7x7 deal because of how this could hurt this team down the road when you're better off remaining patient for a couple years and assessing what you need.

I agree you don't give big money term contract for RoR at this point. Flames have to wait until they are a true contender for the Stanley cup.

Yes hawks are in trouble cap wise, but do you really think they would trade their Stanley cup to get out of cap jail? Basically what I am saying when the flames feel they are really ready to get that Stanley cup they should really consider going all in, even if it means having to figure out cap jail a couple years later.

Even though Iggy was my favourite flame, I never want the flames to be in that position again. where the player is bigger than the symbol on the front of the jersey . I rather have a couple of Stanley cups than have Monahan or Johnny hockey play out their careers in flames jerseys.

[Jayems]

Milan Lucic under trade consideration by Bruins

The Bruins are proud of Milan Lucic’s career path. Lucic is the standard of how organizations want to build their rosters.

He was the Bruins’ second-round pick in 2006. In 2007-08, when he was expected to be the captain of his junior team, Lucic willed himself into the NHL. Since then, Lucic won a Stanley Cup, became the personification of the Black-and-Gold brand, and defined himself as the NHL’s singular power forward.

The lifelong Bruin may have a new employer this offseason.

...

Lucic will be unrestricted after next season. On July 1, 2016, Lucic will be 28 years old. A long-term extension would be a risky play because of Lucic’s job description and mileage. Power forwards do not age well. Anything beyond a three-year extension would invite the uncertain. Another team desperate for Lucic’s presence may be willing to sacrifice long-term uncertainty for short-term results. Players such as Lucic are in high demand and low supply.

Lucic will enter the final season of his three-year, $18 million contract. It will be the Bruins’ opportunity to acquire assets for a player who might walk for nothing at the end of 2015-16.

The Bruins have options on the right side. Connolly and Pastrnak are young, shoot-first right wings. Loui Eriksson was one of the team’s most valuable do-it-all forwards. Reilly Smith had a disappointing season. But the 24-year-old has the speed, shot, and stick skills to be a good wing if he can straighten out the mental shortcomings of his game. Griffith and Brian Ferlin are depth players. If the Bruins trade Lucic, they could move Eriksson to left wing.

The Bruins don’t have to trade Lucic. They’ll be free of the nearly $4.8 million of dead money they had to carry as their overage penalty from 2013-14. They can afford the raise Dougie Hamilton will receive.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/20...?event=event25

[ForeverFlameFan]

I hope the Flames do take adavantage of Boston's/Chicago's cap problems.

[Roof-Daddy]

Was thinking about Lucic, and wondering if he could be a long term fit for the Flames. His size is great and all, but he lacks speed and like the article suggests, his game might fall off a cliff because of his playing style.

He'll probably end up in Vancouver at some point.

[neo45]

^he hates Vancouver now, apparently


If Lucic is available our management team will be going after him hard

[JohnnySkittles]

Absolutely despise Lucic. However depending on the price I'd be okay with it.

[Roof-Daddy]

Nm

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by neo45

^he hates Vancouver now, apparently


If Lucic is available our management team will be going after him hard

Didn't know the first part.

Completely agree about the second part.

[Anduril]

Originally Posted by Dienasty

If you look at Matt Duchene/PK Subban or Ryan Johannsen as comparison you will see that they got bridge contracts before arbitration rights.

Not sure why ROR is getting 7X7... On a longer term deal he would be at 6M if he wanted a three year deal is would be at 7M at least that is what I would view it at. The only reason why he got 6.5 this season was for arb rights and his raise to qualify. On a long term deal I think he knows he isn't getting 7M per.

Matt Duchene: Got 3.5M bridge over 2 years after two ~60 point season. The cap in 2012 when he signed that deal was 50M.

PK Subban: Montreal played serious hard ball. They probably should have signed him to a 6-7M deal shortly after but kept wanting Subban to show that he was truly top 10 in his position. He's being paid 9M right now as a result of a very low bridge.

Johansen: Got 4M bridge over 3 years after ONE season of 30/30. If Monahan puts up one more season at 30/30, you can bet that 4M+ is where the discussions start.


So with those comparables, I don't think its unreasonable to say that Gaudreau and Monahan could get around 5M, especially considering the 3M bridge is no longer the same relative to the cap space and current production projection of our players.

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect ROR to get close to 7M as well. Stastny just signed for 7x4. The cap hit is a little more considering the sweet length St Louis got. Yet ROR will be 24 when he becomes UFA, have put up 2 seasons of 60+ points while being a two way player who can play at centre or wing and extremely disciplined as he does it all.

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I agree you don't give big money term contract for RoR at this point. Flames have to wait until they are a true contender for the Stanley cup.

Yes hawks are in trouble cap wise, but do you really think they would trade their Stanley cup to get out of cap jail? Basically what I am saying when the flames feel they are really ready to get that Stanley cup they should really consider going all in, even if it means having to figure out cap jail a couple years later.

Even though Iggy was my favourite flame, I never want the flames to be in that position again. where the player is bigger than the symbol on the front of the jersey . I rather have a couple of Stanley cups than have Monahan or Johnny hockey play out their careers in flames jerseys.

No doubt that if you could guarantee a Cup in exchange for being in cap jail, 30 teams would grab at that chance. Thing is, Chicago and LA are the best examples of being regular contenders because of their ability to draft, develop and maintain talent without resorting to to UFA for a substantial piece. The Rangers are actually a decent example even if they've got a number of big tickets due to trades.
I agree you go all in when you think you're near the cup. It's going to be a couple years for this team to continue building the foundation and seeing what needs to be patched or filled in through immediate means.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by neo45

^he hates Vancouver now, apparently


If Lucic is available our management team will be going after him hard

Not sure I want management paying a premium for what is considered a rental at this point. However, if the price is right, Lucic as our 2nd line LW would be great considering that since Baertschi and Glencross are gone, our LW side doesn't look as great as it used to be.

[Cheerio]

Haven't these Lucic rumors popped up every offseason?

[N-E-B]

I would be ecstatic if we added Lucic. I know a lot of people hate him, but I love his passion and how much he learns to hate his biggest rivals. Imagine Lucic on our 3rd line dumping the puck in and blasting Schultz and Nurse every single game.

[Buck Murdock]

isnt Lucic post apex?

[theoforever]

After the groin attacks, lost all respect for Lucic.

[d_phaneuf]

Lucic still lives here in offseason so I doubt he hates it

I have a bad feeling Benning makes a big push for him, I wouldnt mind him but I think that Boston would get an overpayment

[sureLoss]

Boston Bruins @NHLBruins
Chiarelli said they have spoken with Daniel Paille and Gregory Campbell, and let them know that the Bruins won't be re-signing them

[Vinny01]

I could see both Alberta teams and the Nucks going after Lucic