Missing C-8, if found please return to CPS

[underGRADFlame]

Not to nip pick here, but "Missing C-8, if found please return to CPS". The rifle wasn't left out in the open and someone picked it up, a vehicle was broken into and it was stolen. The title makes it out like it fell of the trunk of a cruiser and wasn't noticed.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

Some much needed clarity.

CPS uses the Colt C8A2. Semi-automatic, equipped with an EOTech Holo Sight and flashlight. You can pick up the EXACT same setup for about $3,000. The only exception are the mags, the standard cap mags are considered a prohibited device for civilian use. The most a civilian could load into that rifle and still be legal is 14+1

It is legal to transport magazines while they are loaded. It is legal to transport said mags in the same case as the rifle. It is legal to stop for food while transporting a firearm.

Can you please explain how to get 14+1 rounds legally into that gun? It is 5 rounds for an unrestricted semi-auto rifle and 10 rounds for a restricted rifle. I'm unsure if this c-8 would be a restricted version (likely would be).

Are you talking about using magazines designed for a different caliber? (aka the LAR-15 thing).

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by underGRADFlame

Not to nip pick here, but "Missing C-8, if found please return to CPS". The rifle wasn't left out in the open and someone picked it up, a vehicle was broken into and it was stolen. The title makes it out like it fell of the trunk of a cruiser and wasn't noticed.

Semantics. The gun is still missing.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by calgarywinning

I believe the searches they conducted on site were also illegal? Does anybody have any insight?

Cop loses gun starts illegally searching persons/vehicles without cause?

jar_e (or any other law enforcement posters); Is there a law that allows police to search a bunch of vehicles in the name of public safety in a case like this, or is there a chance they actually performed illegal searches?

I'd be a little disappointed if it was the latter, but won't comment unless it's something that actually happened and actually was illegal (which I kind of doubt, I don't think CPS typically operates like that. Although I guess RCMP broke the law in High River, so not out of the question).

[FLAME ENVY]

Originally Posted by underGRADFlame

Not to nip pick here, but "Missing C-8, if found please return to CPS". The rifle wasn't left out in the open and someone picked it up, a vehicle was broken into and it was stolen. The title makes it out like it fell of the trunk of a cruiser and wasn't noticed.

I think there is a tad of tongue in cheek hexed within the title..... CPS officer takes a C-8 home to be "cleaned" and stops for dinner on the way only to have it stolen....

How do you know the C-8 was not left out in the open ? Of all the vehicles parked within Crowfoot Terrace on a busy Saturday evening, why was this one specifically targeted ? Particularly, if the rifle was out of sight and perhaps in a trunk.

[vanisleflamesfan]

Originally Posted by Realtor 1

Coincidence and extremely bad luck? the day he takes his gun home, stops to dine in somewhere, his car is the only one that is randomly broken into which just happens to have the gun and ammo?

I won't speculate but it seems as if there are some holes to the story right now.

Originally Posted by Trojan97

The majority of CPS officers leave their service weapon in their locker at the end of shift. There are various reasons why someone might take it home with them but it is not common.

Coincidence and extremely bad luck? I guess it would have to be a HUGE coincidence... The ONE rare case where a cop takes a weapon home and it is stolen... I would suggest that statistically, it is FAR more probable that it happens all the time...

[browna]

Certainly the guy has to be in some internal trouble...Point A to B, isn't that the rule, certainly for police, when bringing home a weapon?

Plus, this guy left wherever he was in Crowfoot around midnight, not quite a "stop on the way home for dinner out with the family" sort of time. A few holes in the story, as has been mentioned. Plus the generic "Subaru", almost sounds like a cover so there isn't a repeat target.

[Yasa]

Originally Posted by flameswin

jar_e (or any other law enforcement posters); Is there a law that allows police to search a bunch of vehicles in the name of public safety in a case like this, or is there a chance they actually performed illegal searches?

I'd be a little disappointed if it was the latter, but won't comment unless it's something that actually happened and actually was illegal (which I kind of doubt, I don't think CPS typically operates like that. Although I guess RCMP broke the law in High River, so not out of the question).

I'm pretty certain they're well within their legal rights to ask you for a search. You can deny it if you'd like, and they may get annoyed and detain you though. That doesn't mean I agree with it, but I'm fairly certain it's only illegal if they search without consent or a warrant.

[Huntingwhale]

Count me in with the 'conspiracy' crowd. Things just seem way too off to be a coincidence. Hopefully the gun is found swiftly. When I first heard the story my initial thought was that this whole 'theft' went off way to smoothly and conveniently for my liking.

[Redliner]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Can you please explain how to get 14+1 rounds legally into that gun? It is 5 rounds for an unrestricted semi-auto rifle and 10 rounds for a restricted rifle. I'm unsure if this c-8 would be a restricted version (likely would be).

Are you talking about using magazines designed for a different caliber? (aka the LAR-15 thing).

Magazines for any centerfire semiautomatic rifle are limited to 5 rounds, period. Doesn't matter if the rifle is restricted or not. Magazines for pistols using centerfire ammunition are permitted to hold 10 rounds. It is common in shooting circles to use magazines designed for handguns or even other calibre rifles in firearms such as AR-15s (of which the C8 is a variant, and yes - they are restricted) in order to circumvent capacity limits, and this practice is perfectly legal because the restriction is based on the magazine being used in the firearm it is designed for. That said, the 28 rd mags that were taken would be prohibited items for civilians and would likely be a hot item on the black market.

Definitely hope this story has a good ending and that the firearm and mags that were stolen don't end up playing a part in the next big shooting tragedy. Sounds like this cop got a little careless and should have made better decisions. From a purely selfish perspective, situations like this suck even more because they ultimately make things more difficult for responsible gun owners.

[Peanut]

It's terrible but my first reaction, after reading the slightly weird details of the story, was that the cop made a quick couple grand selling this weapon on the black market and then concocted the "theft". :/

[albertGQ]

I keep hearing the cop went for dinner. But wasn't he at Schanks until midnight?

I know you can still have dinner there but being at Schanks till after midnight is a little different than going to AppleBees at 7pm.

[calgarywinning]

The media is focusing on the weapon transport and loss of weapon, but not on the illegal search and seizure the police setup after the fact. There was a perimeter setup and vehicles were being searched without legal concern.

As per the reddit poster:

Section 8 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms provides everyone in Canada with protection against unreasonable search and seizure. This right provides Canadians with their primary source of constitutionally enforced privacy rights against unreasonable intrusion from the state. Typically, this protects personal information that can be obtained through searching someone in pat-down, entering someone's property or surveillance.
Under the heading of legal rights, section 8 states:
Any property found or seized by means of a violation of section 8 can be excluded as evidence in a trial under section 24(2).

So here you have the office on duty, the sergeant on duty and this must have gone up the channels showing a police service that clearly doesn't understand the above. In the interest of violating charter law to recover their gun.

The media isn't talking about this at all.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Peanut

It's terrible but my first reaction, after reading the slightly weird details of the story, was that the cop made a quick couple grand selling this weapon on the black market and then concocted the "theft". :/

Was thinking the same thing, when they check his debt load I would bet they find a few problems.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by T@T

Was thinking the same thing, when they check his debt load I would bet they find a few problems.

I'm sure the officer has access to stuff worth a lot more than a few thousand dollars if that was the intent. This gun isn't exactly rare, the magazines might be illegal for civilian use but still aren't hard to get your hands on.

[GoinAllTheWay]

Originally Posted by Redliner

That said, the 28 rd mags that were taken would be prohibited items for civilians and would likely be a hot item on the black market.

Not at all. Anyone can buy a 30 rnd magazine and remove the pin that holds it to 5 rnds in 30 seconds.

Magazine capacity laws are largely an optic used to make everyone feel safer.

[Flash Walken]

I wonder, was the officer also going to clean his mags?

[Redliner]

Originally Posted by GoinAllTheWay

Not at all. Anyone can buy a 30 rnd magazine and remove the pin that holds it to 5 rnds in 30 seconds.

Magazine capacity laws are largely an optic used to make everyone feel safer.

Sure, but the second they remove the rivet they are in possession of a prohibited device and can be prosecuted. A conviction can carry jail time in addition to confiscation of all firearms.

Anyone can go buy crack if they want it too. Doesn't make it legal.

Edit: nm I get what you're saying now

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by calgarywinning

The media is focusing on the weapon transport and loss of weapon, but not on the illegal search and seizure the police setup after the fact. There was a perimeter setup and vehicles were being searched without legal concern.

As per the reddit poster:

Section 8 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms provides everyone in Canada with protection against unreasonable search and seizure. This right provides Canadians with their primary source of constitutionally enforced privacy rights against unreasonable intrusion from the state. Typically, this protects personal information that can be obtained through searching someone in pat-down, entering someone's property or surveillance.
Under the heading of legal rights, section 8 states:
Any property found or seized by means of a violation of section 8 can be excluded as evidence in a trial under section 24(2).

So here you have the office on duty, the sergeant on duty and this must have gone up the channels showing a police service that clearly doesn't understand the above. In the interest of violating charter law to recover their gun.

The media isn't talking about this at all.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2015/04/05...rivate-vehicle

Then, after the theft was reported, it appears police set up roadblocks and arbitrarily searched cars and opened trunks as they left the Crowfoot area, causing a storm of protest over social media — though no formal complaints have been filed.

If there are complaints about random searches, Stuart says there could be further serious repercussions.

“It’s my understanding, and this is through social media, that there was a canvassing of the area by the officers to determine, first of all, if any other vehicles were victims of car prowling and to check with citizens to see if they had seen or heard anything,” said Stuart.

Stuart said there have been no official complaints of illegal searches so far.

“If there are allegations of anything like that, then that would become a separate Professional Standards Section investigation.”

Stuart says Alberta’s Solicitor General’s office has been made aware of the loss of a police weapon, with the Alberta Serious Incident Response Team overseeing Calgary’s internal investigation.

[Weitz]

I heard they asked to check cars. It wasn't "Mandatory".