[OOT] March 31st, The day that Winnipeg and Vancouver forgot to win

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

I'm sorry but Bertuzzi pulled a b#### move too. Take they guy on face to face. Don't be a punk.

Of course he did. And not intending to be a punk. Just saying I want my team to respond, knowing full well that any response has the potential to end really badly, like this did.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Except, to the letter of the law on interference he needs to make a move to interfere with the player. Burrows just goes in one lane towards the bench, not on course to collide with Gaustad.

Burrows sees him, and sees him change course. Gaustad changes course and doesn't see Burrows. Burrows had a chance to brace, Gaustad did not. It's unfortunate incidental contact.

or he was stalking him on purpose because he knew Gaustad didn't know he was there. The play was already going up the other way and Burrows wasn't going for a line change because he kept going up the ice. His entire purpose of going over there was to run interference.

[Gaudfather]

Burrows is a POS!

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Except, to the letter of the law on interference he needs to make a move to interfere with the player. Burrows just goes in one lane towards the bench, not on course to collide with Gaustad.

Burrows sees him, and sees him change course. Gaustad changes course and doesn't see Burrows. Burrows had a chance to brace, Gaustad did not. It's unfortunate incidental contact.

Lol! Burrows threw a hit, he didn't "brace" for the hit. Saw an unsuspecting player who was nowhere near the puck, threw a hit with the principle point of contact meeting his head. Brutal. I literally have no clue how anyone could defend that...

[dino7c]

when the NHL gets sued (and they will) after somebody breaks their neck they are gonna point to the Buff suspension or lack thereof of a meaningful one and show how the NHL turned a blind eye in the past. Seriously whats it gonna take? somebody dying?

[GioforPM]

So Buf got a phone eharing, but I wasn't sure if it was all he was offered or if he waived an in-person one.

If the former I think he can only get 4 games.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Robbob

or he was stalking him on purpose because he knew Gaustad didn't know he was there. The play was already going up the other way and Burrows wasn't going for a line change because he kept going up the ice. His entire purpose of going over there was to run interference.

So you're implying he knew that Gaustad was going to suddenly turn when he did, and skated in that direction for about ten feet, because of his incredible ability to sense when he can get a cheap shot in?

Okie dokie.

I think it's more likely he was going a direction. Gaustad was going a direction. Gaustad changed direction. Burrows did not.

Unfortunate, but incidental. And it seems the league agrees, though I am not sure that helps or hurts my position.

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Lol! Burrows threw a hit, he didn't "brace" for the hit. Saw an unsuspecting player who was nowhere near the puck, threw a hit with the principle point of contact meeting his head. Brutal. I literally have no clue how anyone could defend that...

How did he "hit". He doesn't even change the direction his torso is facing to leverage into it. He literally skates in a straight line and gets bumped into, he just saw it coming and braced for it.

Also POC looks to be the shoulder/chest. Not to say that can't cause a concussion. Andrew Alberts will never play another game off a similar thing.

[northcrunk]

Burrows watch what Gaustad was doing the whole time. Anyone who has played any level of competetive hockey can see that. Burrows is a clown but so are 80% of Vancouver fans. Buff and Burrows/Bieksa should be suspended today.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I look at that, and for me, he seems to be going up the ice cutting towards his bench, sees Gaustad coming, and decides to give him a bump on the way to the bench. As you do. Whether he hit him in the head or not, or whether it was direct or a glancing blow, I can't tell from that angle. I can say that it doesn't look like he exploded into Gaustad or anything - it's a bump. Of course, if it's a bump to the head, that's enough.

Pretty surprised he didn't at least get a fine for that as a "hey, we noticed, don't do this", even regardless of his history or his... being Alex Burrows.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Pretty surprised he didn't at least get a fine for that as a "hey, we noticed, don't do this", even regardless of his history or his... being Alex Burrows.

I think they're calling it incidental contact during the course of the play.

I have no doubt Burrows stiffened up when he knew the contact was coming, which would make it less enjoyable to run into. But when I see someone coming at me, I stiffen up even if they don't see me. I've also collided with someone when I didn't know they were there, but they saw me. It's awful. But that play happens every game when people go to the bench (bumping into one another as one player tries to get off and another tries to get up ice). I take issue with the thought that this was predatory and with intent to hurt.

It's unfortunate. I hope Gaustad is okay. The call on the ice was overboard though.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

The call on the ice was not overboard if the principal point of contact was to the head. If so they got it exactly right. I can't tell from that angle, but there was a linesman there who presumably could tell.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

The call on the ice was not overboard if the principal point of contact was to the head. If so they got it exactly right. I can't tell from that angle, but there was a linesman there who presumably could tell.

If it's incidental contact, it's the wrong call. It's not interference in that situation.

[Anduril]

Looks more like interference by Burrows than a dirty headshot. Gaustad changes direction, Burrows reacts to the incoming player by through his weight outwards, unfortunately to Gaustad's head.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

If it's incidental contact, it's the wrong call. It's not interference in that situation.

It's clearly not incidental contact if it's deliberate, and while there are many things I can't tell from that video, I CAN tell that Burrows sees Gaustad and has plenty of time to not run into him. He chooses to bump into the guy. It's interference.

[northcrunk]

When you have the skating skill most NHL pros have you can avoid hitting a guy there. Burrows ran the interference to stop Nashville from breaking out because he wanted to get off the ice. Gaustad maybe sold it a bit. He still got caught and should be suspended. That is a dangerous hit to make.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

The Canucks were breaking out, not Nashville. I assume he did it just to get a lick in. Maybe to create space for the rush, but I'm not really willing to give him credit for actually thinking about that.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

It's clearly not incidental contact if it's deliberate, and while there are many things I can't tell from that video, I CAN tell that Burrows sees Gaustad and has plenty of time to not run into him. He chooses to bump into the guy. It's interference.

A player is not required to get out of the way just because they see someone coming. He was moving in a straight line, made no move to get infront of impede Gaustad and would likely not even contact him if Gaustad went in a straight line. If Burrows took two steps to his left to get at Gaustad, then sure. But he literally glides into him, and is just as entitled to that space of ice as Gaustad was.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I literally have no clue how anyone could defend that...

Because Canucks fans.

Anyone who has played even remotely competitive hockey sees right away that it was deliberate. Most Canucks fans haven't.

[billybob123]

Perhaps the NHL would have suspended Burrows one game, and because he got the game misconduct, they consider that the equivalent. I've seen it seemingly when Shanahan made his videos.

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by heep223

Because Canucks fans.

Anyone who has played even remotely competitive hockey sees right away that it was deliberate. Most Canucks fans haven't.

Exactly. +100 sir.