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View Poll Results: Do you think Ovechkin should win the Hart?
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Yes
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No
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03-31-2015, 06:27 PM
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#61
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA/Scottsdale, AZ
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Price = Vezina
Ovie = 1st round playoff loss
Dubnyk = Hart
Minnesota is golfing without him.
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03-31-2015, 06:51 PM
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#62
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: YYC
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I'm not sure about Ovi now.
I used to think he was a money and fame hungry, show-boat but the past couple of years he's making it difficult for me to hate him.
-The things he does for charities and for fans.
-Consistently scoring and rarely seems to go on slumps
-The respect he gets around the league (except Getzlaf)
-Pretty good leadership
But no he doesn't win the Hart for me.
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03-31-2015, 06:51 PM
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#63
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaudfather
No. of 50 Goal Seasons
Gretzky - 9
Bossy - 9
Dionne - 6
Lafleur - 6
Lemieux - 6
Ovechkin - 6
He is now in pretty rarefied air - would seem Hart worthy.
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Regardless of the Hart he's going to have a nice seat atop the hall of fame as he's likely going to at least end up 3rd all time on that list.
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03-31-2015, 07:13 PM
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#64
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleK
Dubnyk = Hart
Minnesota is golfing without him.
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No disrespect to Dubnyk's ridiculous performance, but I don't think you can give the Hart to a guy for only half of a season's worth of starts. Especially not when Price is having the season he is.
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03-31-2015, 07:18 PM
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#65
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Calgary
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Ovechkin? lol, no.
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03-31-2015, 07:23 PM
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#66
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleK
Price = Vezina
Ovie = 1st round playoff loss
Dubnyk = Hart
Minnesota is golfing without him.
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Let me get this straight.
Dubnyk isn't good enough to win the Vezina as the leagues best goaltender, but he does win the trophy as the leagues most valuable player?
Last edited by cam_wmh; 03-31-2015 at 07:26 PM.
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03-31-2015, 07:29 PM
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#67
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Franchise Player
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Ovechkin wins or is really close with price winning if he was Canadian. He will come a distant 2nd or third because he is Russian.
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03-31-2015, 07:31 PM
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#68
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaudfather
No. of 50 Goal Seasons
Gretzky - 9
Bossy - 9
Dionne - 6
Lafleur - 6
Lemieux - 6
Ovechkin - 6
He is now in pretty rarefied air - would seem Hart worthy.
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I forget the exact stat and I'm sure I'm going to #######ize the #### out of it but...
Button was saying on TSN that Gretzky had 12% of the total 50 goal seasons in his first 10 seasons. Ovechkin has had 36% of the 50 goal seasons in his first 10 years. That's pretty amazing. Also noted that within the same time frame (5 seasons?) Ovechkin was at 252 goals and Stamkos was at 250.
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03-31-2015, 07:39 PM
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#69
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Stampede Corral
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaudfather
No. of 50 Goal Seasons
Gretzky - 9
Bossy - 9
Dionne - 6
Lafleur - 6
Lemieux - 6
Ovechkin - 6
He is now in pretty rarefied air - would seem Hart worthy.
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Especially in this era. That's amazing. He is definitely worthy but I think Price takes it.
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03-31-2015, 07:41 PM
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#70
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jar_e
I forget the exact stat and I'm sure I'm going to #######ize the #### out of it but...
Button was saying on TSN that Gretzky had 12% of the total 50 goal seasons in his first 10 seasons. Ovechkin has had 36% of the 50 goal seasons in his first 10 years. That's pretty amazing. Also noted that within the same time frame (5 seasons?) Ovechkin was at 252 goals and Stamkos was at 250.
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His goal scoring is more incredible than most people give him credit for and that is why I believe he deserves the Hart over Price. Especially in this era, and especially this year when goal and point scoring is down among the stars, he still managed 50 goals.
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Originally Posted by Darkwater
Ovechkin? lol, no.
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Why is Ovechkin and 'lol' choice for the Hart? He is a plus player and he has 26 assists to boot, putting him in the Art Ross race as well. 11 of his 50 goals are game winners.
Without Ovi, Caps do not make the playoffs.
Like one poster said, it's going to come down to whether the PHWA value goals over saves, but both are worthy. Ovi is hardly 'lol' material. Unless you're racist against Russians or something.
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03-31-2015, 08:24 PM
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#71
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Calgary
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Ovechkin should win the Rocket Richard award.
there are lots of players that are more valuable, both to the league as well as their team.
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03-31-2015, 08:25 PM
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#72
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by edn88
Ovechkin should win the Rocket Richard award.
there are lots of players that are more valuable, both to the league as well as their team.
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Ok. 
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03-31-2015, 08:29 PM
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#73
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist
I would say so. Tampa and Pittsburgh would be right in Montreal's Wheelhouse to play their rope-a-dope style. Boston would be a good match if Montreal didn't take up shop in their collective heads
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Tampa will destroy Montreal if they play them in the playoffs - Tampa beat Montreal 5-0 in the season series, outscoring them 21-8.
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03-31-2015, 08:40 PM
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#74
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Kamloops
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Quite surprised at some of the disrespect for Ovechkin in this thread. You may not like him, or think he deserves the Hart, but if you don't think he is one of the best players in the game (right now, today), I don't think you know much about hockey.
I can see Price beating him out for the Hart, but couldn't imagine another player being even close to a contender. Nash was in the conversation, but has cooled off, and Tavares' Islanders are looking shaky.
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03-31-2015, 08:48 PM
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#75
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It's ridiculous to me that in a game where the object is to score goals, the best person in the world at doing that gets so little respect.
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03-31-2015, 10:35 PM
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#76
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Weitz
It's ridiculous to me that in a game where the object is to score goals, the best person in the world at doing that gets so little respect.
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Thank you! I was beginning to feel like I was the only one thinking this. Sheesh
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03-31-2015, 10:46 PM
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#77
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I believe in the Pony Power
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Originally Posted by Weitz
It's ridiculous to me that in a game where the object is to score goals, the best person in the world at doing that gets so little respect.
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The object isn't just to scores. The object is to score more goals than the other team which can be accomplished by scoring goals and preventing the other team from doing the same.
And on that point AO is really good at the first part, less good at the other.
Still one of the best players in the game, but not a guy I would build my team around. Similar to Phillip.
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03-31-2015, 10:48 PM
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#78
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Chicago
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Weitz
It's ridiculous to me that in a game where the object is to score goals, the best person in the world at doing that gets so little respect.
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The object is to win games/championships.
More often than not, defence/goaltending does more to accomplish this than offence does
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03-31-2015, 11:24 PM
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#79
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Weitz
It's ridiculous to me that in a game where the object is to score goals, the best person in the world at doing that gets so little respect.
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How can you say this? And how can it be thanked 4 times
The object of the game is not 'to score goals', it is to score more goals than the other team.
Ovechkin is really good at one part of that, not so good at the other part.
There is no question that he is one of the most prolific goal scorers of all time. However, the complete and utter lack of success in the playoffs and Olympics, after more than a decade into his professional career, are pretty telling.
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03-31-2015, 11:25 PM
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#80
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Rocky Mt House
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CroFlames
His goal scoring is more incredible than most people give him credit for and that is why I believe he deserves the Hart over Price. Especially in this era, and especially this year when goal and point scoring is down among the stars, he still managed 50 goals.
Why is Ovechkin and 'lol' choice for the Hart? He is a plus player and he has 26 assists to boot, putting him in the Art Ross race as well. 11 of his 50 goals are game winners.
Without Ovi, Caps do not make the playoffs.
Like one poster said, it's going to come down to whether the PHWA value goals over saves, but both are worthy. Ovi is hardly 'lol' material. Unless you're racist against Russians or something.
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*Prejudiced. Russian is a nationality.
A Canadian being biased towards Canadians is understandable and some might say patriotic though I agree not just. Let's not confuse that with racism.
Sorry pet peeve. /rant.
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