March 28 Provincial Election Votes - Page 5 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

FLAMESRULE · 03-30-2015, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Slava

Leadership rules are exempt I think. I'm not 100% sure, but I am fairly sure that in leadership races basically anything goes.

Thanks, I figured as much...but do they have to return any excess funds?? Makes it an easy way to buy your own politician.

ben voyonsdonc · 03-30-2015, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dion

Wildrose leader Brian Jean asks candidate Bill Jarvis to step down over 'brown people' comment caught during leadership announcement.....

How dumb can a candidate be? Every microphone needs to be treated as live.

The Wildrose also should have made sure to either turn off the microphone or ask all candidates to be quiet as they took their places. It was a pretty amateur looking setup.

Also, I question any candidate's judgement who thinks that this:

is a good photo for a twitter page. Crazy eyes!!!

nik- · 03-30-2015, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dion

Wildrose leader Brian Jean asks candidate Bill Jarvis to step down over 'brown people' comment caught during leadership announcement.....

http://www.calgarysun.com/2015/03/29...p-announcement

Weitz · 03-30-2015, 01:11 PM

How do you verify the authenticity of that text?

I could make that text and photo in like 2 minutes with a friend.

FireFly · 03-30-2015, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Slava

Haha, I don't think that answers anything. He gave something like $10k and we're talking what, 6-8 months ago? I'm 100% sure that if this was say the Liberal donating to the PCs or something like that you would crucify the guy for his stupidty.

Well 6-8 months ago was before the budget when we all thought Prentice was a fiscal conservative. Prentice has decided to raise taxes instead of cutting expenditures which is not at all what a fiscal conservative would do.

Does that help? He in fact touches on this subject on his website.

http://www.brianjeanwrp.com/faq

Slava · 03-30-2015, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by FireFly

Well 6-8 months ago was before the budget when we all thought Prentice was a fiscal conservative. Prentice has decided to raise taxes instead of cutting expenditures which is not at all what a fiscal conservative would do.

Does that help? He in fact touches on this subject on his website.

http://www.brianjeanwrp.com/faq

The budget is meaningless in all this because it was far after Jean decided to run for the leadership. Its not the budget that anyone was expecting really, and it wasn't a factor in his decision to run for the leadership.

When you read his rationalizing of why he wouldn't run for the Wildrose though its weird; he didn't want to run under Danielle, so he donated to Prentice. Then Danielle moved over to the PCs and he is disappointed in Prentice so he decides to join the Wildrose instead and run for leadership. He is disappointed and says that health is still a mess (I mean really...its been 6-8 months, so maybe his expectations were a little out of whack?)

Regardless, I obviously think its amusing and a bigger deal than the people who voted for him as leader. I do think that the Wildrose did the right thing in fast-tracking their leadership though. I don't think that anyone would vote for a party with no actual leader and that would've been pure destruction.

CorsiHockeyLeague · 03-30-2015, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by FireFly

Prentice has decided to raise taxes instead of cutting expenditures which is not at all what a fiscal conservative would do.

Didn't he kind of do both?

CaptainCrunch · 03-30-2015, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Didn't he kind of do both?

Not really the cuts were symbolic more then meaningful and pretty insignificant against the overall budget.

Slava · 03-30-2015, 02:45 PM

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Not really the cuts were symbolic more then meaningful and pretty insignificant against the overall budget.

So are the tax increases.

CorsiHockeyLeague · 03-30-2015, 02:55 PM

I dunno, man, the tax increases are tangible for me. I know I'm $1000 poorer for the health care levy, I know how much the additional income tax will cost me, I know how much more I'm paying for a bottle of rum or a case of beer... Doesn't seem symbolic to me.

Not saying they're unnecessary, of course, but they're meaningful.

FireFly · 03-30-2015, 03:00 PM

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Not really the cuts were symbolic more then meaningful and pretty insignificant against the overall budget.

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Originally Posted by Slava

So are the tax increases.

So what you're saying Slava, is that this budget was a 'stay the course' budget? Insignificant cuts and taxes means this fiscally conservative government basically did nothing at all to help Alberta out of their oil dependency.

Regardless, and back to your previous question about why the change of heart from Brian Jean...

Brian didn't like Danielle but he did like what he thought Prentice was about. He liked Prentice's platform and thought he would be good for the province. A few months later, Prentice shows his true colours and gets Danielle on his side which proves to Brian how he felt about Danielle and colours Prentice in his mind as someone who is more interested in the politics of politics than in what is best for Albertans. Hence, he decides to run for the leadership of the newly leader-less party whom he did feel closely resembled his own leanings, however was previously under poor leadership.

I don't really get what's hard to fathom about him changing his mind.

Slava · 03-30-2015, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I dunno, man, the tax increases are tangible for me. I know I'm $1000 poorer for the health care levy, I know how much the additional income tax will cost me, I know how much more I'm paying for a bottle of rum or a case of beer... Doesn't seem symbolic to me.

Not saying they're unnecessary, of course, but they're meaningful.

Well really, $0.16 on a bottle of wine is pretty insignificant, or $0.04/l for gas is not even noticeable really. I haven't really looked at the healthcare levy and how it works, but in all honesty if I'm in the bracket where I have to pay $1000, then I just consider that as the cost to live in Canada and specifically in Alberta, which I think is the best place in the world to live. That's basically how I justify taxes to myself in general though; you pay a little bit to live in the best place in the world and I don't have an issue with that.

nik- · 03-30-2015, 03:10 PM

nm: misread

crazy_eoj · 03-30-2015, 03:35 PM

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Well really, $0.16 on a bottle of wine is pretty insignificant, or $0.04/l for gas is not even noticeable really. I haven't really looked at the healthcare levy and how it works, but in all honesty if I'm in the bracket where I have to pay $1000, then I just consider that as the cost to live in Canada and specifically in Alberta, which I think is the best place in the world to live. That's basically how I justify taxes to myself in general though; you pay a little bit to live in the best place in the world and I don't have an issue with that.

New Taxes: ~1.5 Billion ($2500/family on average)
Cuts to Spending: ~300 Million

Slava · 03-30-2015, 10:18 PM

^ Is that $2500 per family just the amount guessed to be raised by the taxes divided by the number of families? Because that's a flawed if it is. High Income earners are going to pay more, and lower income earners are going to be far below $2500. I don't even know if people earning say $150k are going to pay an extra $2500. They're at $750 for the new income tax, and $1750 is a lot of gas and booze at these increases.

Fuzz · 03-30-2015, 10:33 PM

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^ Is that $2500 per family just the amount guessed to be raised by the taxes divided by the number of families? Because that's a flawed if it is. High Income earners are going to pay more, and lower income earners are going to be far below $2500. I don't even know if people earning say $150k are going to pay an extra $2500. They're at $750 for the new income tax, and $1750 is a lot of gas and booze at these increases.

Don't forget the Health Care Premium, err, slush fund tax.

Slava · 03-31-2015, 07:09 AM

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Don't forget the Health Care Premium, err, slush fund tax.

Even so it sounds like election posturing. Say I pay the $750 as in my example above, add $1000 for healthcare. Now according to that $2500 I have to add $750 in taxes through booze and gas. To add $100 that's 2500 litres of gas. How many people need even that much a year? That's not the average and that would still leave you short by $650.

Its not just crazy joe here though, I've seen this number bandied about by one particular party as well, and I'm just wondering how they arrived at it.

Resolute 14 · 03-31-2015, 09:03 AM

If this poll is any indication, Prentice suddenly has to delay the election call as long as possible to allow budget outrage to calm down.

Wildrose and PCs in a dead heat, and the NDP look poised to wipe Prentice out in Edmonton. The Liberals could be the big loser out of all this, as if those percentages hold, they have no strong base of support anywhere.

Code:

Party AB Edm Cgy Rest
PC    24  14  25  26
WRP   24  15  21  29
NDP   15  35  11  10
LIB   14  13  16  13
AP     4   3   4   4

Fuzz · 03-31-2015, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Slava

Even so it sounds like election posturing. Say I pay the $750 as in my example above, add $1000 for healthcare. Now according to that $2500 I have to add $750 in taxes through booze and gas. To add $100 that's 2500 litres of gas. How many people need even that much a year? That's not the average and that would still leave you short by $650.

Its not just crazy joe here though, I've seen this number bandied about by one particular party as well, and I'm just wondering how they arrived at it.

It may be a bit of an exaggeration but I don't think its to far out of line. I still think they would have been better to just go with a PST. At least business would end up paying some of it, so it would be a tax on everyone, not just citizens. Plus I'd rather be taxed on purchases than earnings, gives me a chance to save it before getting taxed.

crazy_eoj · 03-31-2015, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Slava

Even so it sounds like election posturing. Say I pay the $750 as in my example above, add $1000 for healthcare. Now according to that $2500 I have to add $750 in taxes through booze and gas. To add $100 that's 2500 litres of gas. How many people need even that much a year? That's not the average and that would still leave you short by $650.

Its not just crazy joe here though, I've seen this number bandied about by one particular party as well, and I'm just wondering how they arrived at it.

According to the USEIA the 'average' person uses 1200 litres of gasoline per year. Most families have more than one person, and one car.

Seems the estimate is pretty much bang on?