Airbus A320 Plane crashes in the Alps

[flamesfan6]

Originally Posted by nieuwy-89

Mental health is trotted out as an excuse for committing atrocious crimes way too often these days. I'm tired of hearing about it.

seriously, your attitude is exactly the problem.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by nieuwy-89

Mental health is trotted out as an excuse for committing atrocious crimes way too often these days. I'm tired of hearing about it.

You need to educate yourself.

[Darkwater]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

You need to educate yourself.

No kidding, buddy is clueless.

[icecube]

Sociopaths suffer from a lack of empathy. Let's not pile on him. He could have a mental illness.

[Flabbibulin]

Im not sure it is fair to jump on people for having a natural human reaction to an individual that has committed murder on this scale. Human nature for people to be infuriated with this individual and see a discussion on mental illness as an attempt to vindicate him for his crimes. The conundrum is that that big events like this possibly make many less interested in understanding mental illness, not more.

[Kavvy]

I wasn't trying to jump on anyone and I get how with so many dead needlessly, people can be angry.

I just saw a post which highlights what many in society feel about mental illness, which I disagreed with.

With so many people echoing my comments, I was apparently wrong.

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

Im not sure it is fair to jump on people for having a natural human reaction to an individual that has committed murder on this scale. Human nature for people to be infuriated with this individual and see a discussion on mental illness as an attempt to vindicate him for his crimes. The conundrum is that that big events like this possibly make many less interested in understanding mental illness, not more.

Xenophobia is a natural human reaction too, but that does not make it right to devise theories based solely on someone's skin color, ethnic background, religion, etc. 1/5 of all North Americans cope everyday with mental illness (depression, anxiety, etc). There is no credible evidence that individuals with mental illness are more likely to commit mass murder.

As someone pointed out, it was more likely an individual with a personality disorder (sociopath, etc), that just happened to be depressed.

[nik-]

GERMANWINGS co-pilot Andreas Lubitz reportedly suffered a major breakdown following a recent relationship breakdown, media reports in Europe say.
According to England’s The Telegraph, Lubitz was engaged to be married next year, but had recently broken up with his fiancee. It is understood that the 28-year-old was struggling to cope after the relationship failed.
The theory has come to light hours after The Guardian reports Lubitz stopped his training to be a pilot six years ago because he was suffering from “psychological problems”.

This revelation comes after police said they also made a ‘significant discovery’ at his home in Dusseldorf.
Markus Niesczery of Dusseldorf Police told the Daily Mail: “We wanted to search to see if we could find something that would explain what happened.”

“We have found something which will now be taken for tests. We cannot say what it is at the moment but it may be a very significant clue to what has happened,” Mr Niesczery said.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel...-1227280471225

[T@T]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Mental health is unexplainable. Heck hes probably sitting somewhere now wondering what he just did.

I'm 99.99% sure this isn't happening, just as 99.99% of his body will be part of that mountain forever.

[Flames89]

Originally Posted by T@T

I'm 99.99% sure this isn't happening, just as 99.99% of his body will be part of that mountain forever.

Well, considering 50-60% of the body is water, there is 50% of him on the mountain forever and another 50% flowing into a cow piss puddle or evaporating and being rained down into a festering sulphurous swamp.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by nik-

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel...-1227280471225

I'm guessing they found a note or voicemail message.

If it is true that he had a history of psychological issues that temporarily halted his flight training, then there are going to be even more questions.

[Bigtime]

From the Aviation Herald:

On Mar 26th 2015 Lufthansa reported the captain had 6000 flight hours of experience, the first officer 630 hours.

The first officer started training in 2008, worked as a flight attendant, continued training after undergoing another assessment, passed all tests and started his pilot career as first officer on the A320 in 2013.

I know Europe and others do the airline thing differently than North America, 5 years from the start of your training to an FO of an airliner. He had ~400 hours less in the air than I do in total.

[Flabbibulin]

Nm, read the thread more and found answer.

[SportsJunky]

Reports that he had Doctor's letters at his home stating that he was unfit to fly. He had apparently ripped them up and went to work anyway.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Reports that he had Doctor's letters at his home stating that he was unfit to fly. He had apparently ripped them up and went to work anyway.

Of course. Because we must respect the privacy of this person regarding the state of their mental health, and as a result respect their right to take this course of action. (we call it action, not murder, as it seems clear this individual suffered mental health issues)

This is the politically correct response, right?

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Of course. Because we must respect the privacy of this person regarding the state of their mental health, and as a result respect their right to take this course of action. (we call it action, not murder, as it seems clear this individual suffered mental health issues)

This is the politically correct response, right?

No, that is the sarcastic response

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Reports that he had Doctor's letters at his home stating that he was unfit to fly. He had apparently ripped them up and went to work anyway.

I've always wondered where the whole doctor patient confidentially should end. I think its something to be looked at.

In this case, what should the doctor be obligated to do if an Airline Pilot should be grounded or dismissed? I believe under the law unless there's a prior agreement with the airline or the doctor is airline employed he can't do anything unless there's a clear indication of harm to the patient or others around him.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I've always wondered where the whole doctor patient confidentially should end. I think its something to be looked at.

In this case, what should the doctor be obligated to do if an Airline Pilot should be grounded or dismissed? I believe under the law unless there's a prior agreement with the airline or the doctor is airline employed he can't do anything unless there's a clear indication of harm to the patient or others around him.

Its a tough call. Who knows how many people avoided a similar situation by going to a doctor and getting help? People would just end up not going to the doctor if they wanted to keep flying.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Kavvy

No, that is the sarcastic response

No, that is the politically correct response.

I recognize mental illness exists, I recognize it needs to be discussed, and I recognize it is an issue. But it is getting a little tiring that the second mental illness is introduced, people are absolved of any responsibility for their actions. And then the "Well it's societies fault, not Cptn. Mass Murder because we don't talk enough. And we can't call it murder because a voice in his head or some mental condition told him to do it. And the real victim is the pilot not the 150 other people and their families."

You can still be a murdering POS with mental illness, the two things aren't mutually exclusive. We don't know what his medical condition is, or if it was even mental illness. But if you are smart enough, and skilled enough and made it far enough along to pilot a commercial airliner, there has to a voice of reason in your head that tells you not to do something like this, and ignoring it makes your a murderous SOB.

[Peanut]

Hmm, maybe I'm misinterpreting. But to me nobody is absolving the co-pilot of his actions because he (allegedly) had suffered a severe depressive episode in the past and perhaps was in the middle of another episode.

You can have a severe depression and still make a heartless selfish decision (murdering all those people on your way out). And be a murderer without being depressed. And definitely you can be depressed without ever becoming a murderer. To me, acknowledging that he was having some sort of mental breakdown doesn't absolve him of his actions but it does start to provide at least some sort of explanation as to "why" he did what he did. Nobody in their right mind would fly a plane full of people into a mountain at 400 mph. Maybe you're extremely suicidal or maybe you're a cold-blooded psychopath. Either way... something's not right with your brain. And it's not an excuse.