Airbus A320 Plane crashes in the Alps

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

Why is that? Because it indicates someone was consciously making inputs into a functional plane?

And that those inputs weren't telling the plane to climb in altitude.

If the way it sounds is true, then it really would be a tragic waste. It would also mean that those 8 minutes would have been terrible for the passengers as they would likely be fully aware that something was happening. It will be interesting to see if anyone tried to call out from their phones.

[nik-]

Ugh, this is friggin' terrible. The only thing one could have hoped for is hypoxia and a plane of unconscious people not knowing what was happening. They definitely knew something was wrong in this case

[devo22]

apparently the pilot went to the toilet and the co-pilot deliberately locked him out of the cockpit and crashed the plane. Oh man

sorry, I don't have a link yet ... it's on German news right now

EDIT: http://www.theguardian.com/world/liv...updates-4u9525

[T@T]

Yeah, watching the presser, The 28 year co-pilot deliberately crashed the plane and murdered 149 others.

Not positive but I believe it's an international rule since 911 that when one pilot leaves the cockpit another crew member goes in until he/she returns.

Lufthansa could pay large because of this idiot.

[JonDuke]

Originally Posted by T@T

Yeah, watching the presser, The 28 year co-pilot deliberately crashed the plane and murdered 149 others.

Not positive but I believe it's an international rule since 911 that when one pilot leaves the cockpit another crew member goes in until he/she returns.

Lufthansa could pay large because of this idiot.

I don't think this is an international rule...yet.

[Caged Great]

Absolutely horrifying. There are no words.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by nik-

Ugh, this is friggin' terrible. The only thing one could have hoped for is hypoxia and a plane of unconscious people not knowing what was happening. They definitely knew something was wrong in this case

Yeah, so much for that faint hope:

The co-pilot of the German airliner that crashed in the southern French Alps apparently locked the chief pilot out of the cockpit and caused the plane to crash, as passengers could be heard screaming, a French prosecutor said Thursday.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/germanw...says-1.3010045

[flylock shox]

I wonder if this will cause them to reconsider these super secure cockpit doors.

[ernie]

I can't imagine what those poor people had to go through.

I don't know what else to say other than this is one of those occasions where my heart simply hurts.


I assume that no one will be allowed to be alone in the cockpit as an international rule in the next few days. I also wonder why they don't have an external electronic lock with personal passcodes that the pilot and co-pilot enter when they take possession of the plane. Seems a lot of things can be done to prevent something like this while keeping the cockpit secure.

[Flames89]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

I wonder if this will cause them to reconsider these super secure cockpit doors.

In North America, when a pilot has to use the facilities, a flight attendant takes their place so there is never one person in the cockpit. Europe doesn't do this yet.

[JonDuke]

Originally Posted by Flames89

In North America, when a pilot has to use the facilities, a flight attendant takes their place so there is never one person in the cockpit. Europe doesn't do this yet.

Yeah, I'd rather see them implement this across the board instead of taking the secure door away.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Flames89

In North America, when a pilot has to use the facilities, a flight attendant takes their place so there is never one person in the cockpit. Europe doesn't do this yet.

I was told about 9 or 10 years ago this was the "norm" everywhere, BA and AF does it for sure, I guess I assumed everyone would follow a "makes sense" protocol.

Please remind me not to travel too far. Idiots are everywhere it seems.

[Flabbibulin]

Ya, didn't think the New York Times would release this info unless they were 100% sure it was accurate.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by ernie

I can't imagine what those poor people had to go through.

I don't know what else to say other than this is one of those occasions where my heart simply hurts.


I assume that no one will be allowed to be alone in the cockpit as an international rule in the next few days. I also wonder why they don't have an external electronic lock with personal passcodes that the pilot and co-pilot enter when they take possession of the plane. Seems a lot of things can be done to prevent something like this while keeping the cockpit secure.

I read somewhere that there was a keypad on the plane (and on all of their planes) but that can be disabled from inside the cockpit.

[Acey]

Even if an FA is up front with you, not like it's hard to put down a 110 lb woman and carry on crashing the plane.

[sharkov]

With all the preflight security measures its crazy to think that you can't even trust a pilot with the security of the plane these days.

[Flabbibulin]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I read somewhere that there was a keypad on the plane (and on all of their planes) but that can be disabled from inside the cockpit.

Ya, I would think this is the policy they will look at, as opposed to changing the reinforced doors. Of course, the cheapest and quickest solution is to mandate that a second crew member must absolutely be in cockpit when one of the pilots steps out.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by ernie

I also wonder why they don't have an external electronic lock with personal passcodes that the pilot and co-pilot enter when they take possession of the plane. Seems a lot of things can be done to prevent something like this while keeping the cockpit secure.

Apparently they do, but it can be overridden from inside the cockpit.

"He acknowledges that, in response to terror threats, cockpit doors have been reinforced such that they cannot be opened even “by weapons”. The doors can only be opened by pilots using a code that all air crew know off by heart. But this can be over-ridden from the cockpit. So even if the pilot entered the code in the dorr from the outside, the co-pilot would have been able to press a button that deployed a five-minute over-ride."

Live updates of the press conference
http://www.theguardian.com/world/liv...updates-4u9525

[Acey]

I'm sorry, but I still fail to see how that's going to do a damn thing. If you want to bring the plane down, you're going to do it by whatever means necessary. People acting like this hasn't happened before.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feder...ess_Flight_705

[Table 5]

The co-pilot has been identified as 28 year old Andreas Lubitz.



http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/andreas...010191?cmp=rss