Are Calgary police above traffic laws?

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Yeah revolutions often begin when cops abuse their authority by angle parking in a cul-de-sac.

Well then, I'm convinced.

[PsYcNeT]

I guess really is that there are real things to be concerned about regarding police abuse. Making a big deal of inconsequential stuff like traffic is focusing on the wrong thing.

* mod edit don't make those types of accusations on this site."

[underGRADFlame]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I guess really is that there are real things to be concerned about regarding police abuse. Making a big deal of inconsequential stuff like traffic is focusing on the wrong thing.

* mod edited comment*

They do? Do you have actual facts to back up this claim, a report of some kind, maybe a study? Or is this just more of a statement of your opinion of the CPS? As far as I know, CPS has a problem with people who commit criminal acts regardless of skin color or religion.

[RyZ]

Originally Posted by underGRADFlame

They do? Do you have actual facts to back up this claim, a report of some kind, maybe a study? Or is this just more of a statement of your opinion of the CPS? As far as I know, CPS has a problem with people who commit criminal acts regardless of skin color or religion.

......unless they are cops, then there is no problem.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

I posted this on CP a few years ago, but I once saw a police officer make a sudden and dramatic u turn on glenmore, after throwing on sirens, which resulted in about a 4 car pile up with the cars behind. The first police officer on the scene was the one that made the u turn and she had no idea she had inadvertently caused the accident.

edit- not saying the police officer was at fault as it certainly could be argued that the first vehicle behind the cruiser should have been paying close enough attention, and following at the appropriate distance given the conditions, to make the stop. The reason why everyone at the scene was a little ticked with the officer was because she was the one first at the scene, despite making the u turn with sirens on.... which, for what it is worth, was right in front of a no u turn sign.

This is part of what's known as the Siren Wake Effect, and it's something pretty much anyone using an emergency vehicle is taught about...which is a big part of the reason that most try to avoid using lights an sirens if possible.

Not to mention, whenever emergency vehicles DO use their emergency effects, people complain to them about it.

Darned if you do....

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by underGRADFlame

They do? Do you have actual facts to back up this claim, a report of some kind, maybe a study? Or is this just more of a statement of your opinion of the CPS? As far as I know, CPS has a problem with people who commit criminal acts regardless of skin color or religion.

Recently on Google:

http://www.calgarysun.com/2013/07/16...n-traffic-stop

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2...testimony.html (Related to the Jason Arkinstall portion)

http://www.calgaryherald.com/life/Fa...221/story.html

The Colton Crowshoe issue did actually have a thread (thanks Flameswin) which made it to 2 pages. A lot less outrage regarding Natives being profiled than cops parking wrong.

Also here's a nice report from 2011 regarding Racial Profiling in Calgary. It's a very informative read:

http://www.ecccalgary.com/wp-content...rch-Report.pdf

[Patek23]

it is very funny to read through here and see the two different kinds of blind faith. Some are of the opinion that every police officer is in the right at all times. While others seem to feel all are lazy law breakers. I'm personally of the opinion of who cares on this subject, but it is odd to see that there isnt much middle ground.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

it is very funny to read through here and see the two different kinds of blind faith. Some are of the opinion that every police officer is in the right at all times. While others seem to feel all are lazy law breakers. I'm personally of the opinion of who cares on this subject, but it is odd to see that there isnt much middle ground.

It's something that has to be remembered, to be sure. It's almost always very polarized when it comes to police, and one side will never convince the other.

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

The media should make it a priority to stay on top of police activities and transgressions.

We give police the monopoly on violence in our society. No one else can legally use violence except for them. And yet people want to turn a blind eye to monitoring them? Insane... I'd be very uncomfortable living in a place where police aren't under examination for laws they break.

Better make sure it's for actual issues then or else it will just be a nonstop barrage of perceived issues.

And, just so you know, you're statement about legally using violence is completely false. Go read the CCoC and figure out why you're wrong.

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Recently on Google:

http://www.calgarysun.com/2013/07/16...n-traffic-stop

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2...testimony.html (Related to the Jason Arkinstall portion)

http://www.calgaryherald.com/life/Fa...221/story.html

The Colton Crowshoe issue did actually have a thread (thanks Flameswin) which made it to 2 pages. A lot less outrage regarding Natives being profiled than cops parking wrong.

Also here's a nice report from 2011 regarding Racial Profiling in Calgary. It's a very informative read:

http://www.ecccalgary.com/wp-content...rch-Report.pdf

Ya. If those links don't show the CPS's "deserved reputation for ####ing on natives and minorities" nothing does.

Nice work. Well thought out and supported.

Tell me, what do you know about any of those cases? How about the Nathan Crowshoe investigation. Know where it's at? Tell us. You seem to be in the know. Oh that's right, you googled some newspaper articles. Nevermind.

[AcGold]

Speeding I don't care so much about. I've never seen or heard of cops causing accidents. It's the shooting people that are not a threat that really gets me, would prefer if they didn't have guns. In an ideal world (for me) the police would be private, paid for by the citizens to act as peacekeepers and are heavily audited in the same way chartered accountants are. Not a fan of state run policing with lethal authority that is above the law.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Bent Wookie

Ya. If those links don't show the CPS's "deserved reputation for ####ing on natives and minorities" nothing does.

Nice work. Well thought out and supported.

Tell me, what do you know about any of those cases? How about the Nathan Crowshoe investigation. Know where it's at? Tell us. You seem to be in the know. Oh that's right, you googled some newspaper articles. Nevermind.

What did you expect? Me to have a dissertation written up regarding the issue? He asked for publicly published proof and I provided it.

I could give a series of anecdotal stories relayed to me by visible minorities I am related to or friends with, but I figured that would carry less weight.

[Flabbibulin]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Recently on Google:

http://www.calgarysun.com/2013/07/16...n-traffic-stop

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2...testimony.html (Related to the Jason Arkinstall portion)

http://www.calgaryherald.com/life/Fa...221/story.html

The Colton Crowshoe issue did actually have a thread (thanks Flameswin) which made it to 2 pages. A lot less outrage regarding Natives being profiled than cops parking wrong.

Also here's a nice report from 2011 regarding Racial Profiling in Calgary. It's a very informative read:

http://www.ecccalgary.com/wp-content...rch-Report.pdf

Do you actually think there is a police force out there never accused of racial profiling, where all of the citizens unanimously claim "damn, if only every city had a police force as swell as ours"?? Even if this so called reputation actually existed, are you actually suggesting it is unique to Calgary? Criminals will come up with whatever they can as a way of a/getting off the hook or b/getting back at the man. Of course racial profiling may be taking place, but likely only in a percentage of the reported cases.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

Even if this so called reputation actually existed, are you actually suggesting it is unique to Calgary?

That would be naive of me, wouldn't it?

I think it would be more naive to assume that just because we're in the Glorious Socialist Republic of Canada that racism and racial profiling do not exist and are not a problem in our police force.

Also, Crowshoe wasn't a criminal. He was a victim, which is precisely the issue.

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

What did you expect? Me to have a dissertation written up regarding the issue? He asked for publicly published proof and I provided it.

I could give a series of anecdotal stories relayed to me by visible minorities I am related to or friends with, but I figured that would carry less weight.

I guess what I would expect is, that if you make some sort of broad sweeping, inflammatory and borderline slanderous allegation, that you would have something more than the equivalent of your friends anecdotal stories that almost always start out with, "I was minding my own business when this cop <insert random act of no good>. It's because I'm <insert race>."

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Bent Wookie

I guess what I would expect is, that if you make some sort of broad sweeping, inflammatory and borderline slanderous allegation, that you would have something more than the equivalent of your friends anecdotal stories that almost always start out with, "I was minding my own business when this cop <insert random act of no good>. It's because I'm <insert race>."

"Hi everyone, I, being a middle class white male having never experienced racism first hand, can easily claim that it is not a problem, or at best, negligible. Where is the cheese?"

Am I playing up the talking points correctly?

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

"Hi everyone, I, being a middle class white male having never experienced racism first hand, can easily claim that it is not a problem, or at best, negligible. Where is the cheese?"

Am I playing up the talking points correctly?

Did you just deal the race card?

Clever girl.

[Flabbibulin]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

That would be naive of me, wouldn't it?

I think it would be more naive to assume that just because we're in the Glorious Socialist Republic of Canada that racism and racial profiling do not exist and are not a problem in our police force.

Also, Crowshoe wasn't a criminal. He was a victim, which is precisely the issue.

What exactly do you propose as a solution then? Do you think the police are not aware that racial profiling, or accusations of it anyway, is an important issue and thereby take all the steps to address it in selection and training??

Once again, we are dealing with a situation where observers are sitting back thinking they could perform someones else's job much much better- whether it be the officers or those that select/train them. Believe me, whatever great ideas we could come up with to address racial profiling, the CPS and other police forces have already considered and/or implemented. The problem will always come back to the human factor- you can't prevent false allegations and false impressions. And of course, you really can't prevent the rare instances where a biased officer slips into the system despite the strict selection criteria and training.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

What exactly do you propose as a solution then? Do you think the police are not aware that racial profiling, or accusations of it anyway, is an important issue and thereby take all the steps to address it in selection and training??

Once again, we are dealing with a situation where observers are sitting back thinking they could perform someones else's job much much better- whether it be the officers or those that select/train them. Believe me, whatever great ideas we could come up with to address racial profiling, the CPS and other police forces have already considered and/or implemented. The problem will always come back to the human factor- you can't prevent false allegations and false impressions. And of course, you really can't prevent the rare instances where a biased officer slips into the system despite the strict selection criteria and training.

In a society where racism is accepted (in Alberta, particularly against Natives), there is less stringent screening, and less enforcement against incidence. Cultural progression precipitates change.

[Flabbibulin]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

In a society where racism is accepted (in Alberta, particularly against Natives), there is less stringent screening, and less enforcement against incidence. Cultural progression precipitates change.

Ok, I am going to guess that you generated this statement out of thin air. You shared some articles that seemed to support your suggestion of a reputation, but can almost guarantee you won't be able to the do same here.