[Signing] Calgary signs college prospect Kenney Morrison to 2yr ELC and ATO to play in ADK

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Antithesis

To great extent, (almost) everything has gone right for the Flames this year and I'm probably missing something but the only major thing that's gone against them has been the injury to Giordano. The list of things that have gone right is very long. I mean, you have to laugh/shake your head at the combination of losing your captain and best player for the season, and doing a rebuilding-type move in sending out Glencross, all the while maintaining the same pace from earlier in the season.

Your forgetting Backlund, Stajan, Colborne and Raymond all going down in October.

That should have been their season.

[Antithesis]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Your forgetting Backlund, Stajan, Colborne and Raymond all going down in October.

That should have been their season.

I knew there was something ... I just didn't think it was four somethings ...

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The Colorado example has always been a bad one because they completely relied on goaltending. He won the vezina trophy for god's sake. If he can play that well again than any team is dangerous but their eggs are in one basket.

The Flames are still dead center with a .911 save percentage. The epitome of average goaltending. The only playoff teams behind Calgary in terms of goaltending are the Islanders, Canucks and Ducks.

Calgary is shooting percentage and shot blocks.

The shooting percentage thing: if you take out Calgary's top line they are actually under the NHL average in shooting percentage. Hudler has had a career of a higher than average shooting percentage so he's proven, and therefore sustainable for next year. Monahan has done it in both seasons in the NHL, but sample size lacks the foundation to suggest it's a given. Gaudreau is a rookie but certainly the type of player that you'd expect to have a high shooting percentage. Other than that others are high, but every team has high shooting percentage players or we wouldn't have an average.

So that handles PDO

The Corsi/Fenwick battle will be interesting because the Flames seem to play a style that breaks outside the conventional wisdom of how to win hockey games. Yielding the perimeter and racking up blocked shots is certainly giving up possession, but time will tell if its calculated and a new way to win, or if it's playing with fire (100 game sample) and heading to disaster.

I'm starting to think the Flames don't fit well in the advanced stats categories because of this, and they'll end up doing a version of it again next season.

Biggest fear for me isn't the style of play, but the gumption it takes to keep doing it. If they lose that effort it won't work.

I'm guessing it's a great way to stop gap a team until your young talent takes over.

And D. We have a Norris caliber quality defenseman and a fantastic #2 guy. One of have best top 4s in the league. The Avs D are marginal at best.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by heep223

And D. We have a Norris caliber quality defenseman and a fantastic #2 guy. One of have best top 4s in the league. The Avs D are marginal at best.

The terrible defense is why they are where they are this year

[sureLoss]

Yeah the regression talk is pretty moot.

Oh advanced stats analysis says the Flames are likely to regress? So what?

It is not like Treliving, Burke et al decided to go all in this year sell the farm and go for it.

Flames management has recognized that this team is still in the process of rebuilding and still has some work to do to become a contender.

So yes the Flames may regress next year, but it doesn't really matter, the team's long term strategy hasn't fundamentally changed because of the success of this one season.

What are the Flames supposed to do? Go tell the players that their PDO is too high and they should stop trying?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Calgary is shooting percentage and shot blocks.

The shooting percentage thing: if you take out Calgary's top line they are actually under the NHL average in shooting percentage. Hudler has had a career of a higher than average shooting percentage so he's proven, and therefore sustainable for next year. Monahan has done it in both seasons in the NHL, but sample size lacks the foundation to suggest it's a given. Gaudreau is a rookie but certainly the type of player that you'd expect to have a high shooting percentage. Other than that others are high, but every team has high shooting percentage players or we wouldn't have an average.

So that handles PDO

The Corsi/Fenwick battle will be interesting because the Flames seem to play a style that breaks outside the conventional wisdom of how to win hockey games. Yielding the perimeter and racking up blocked shots is certainly giving up possession, but time will tell if its calculated and a new way to win, or if it's playing with fire (100 game sample) and heading to disaster.

I'm starting to think the Flames don't fit well in the advanced stats categories because of this, and they'll end up doing a version of it again next season.

Biggest fear for me isn't the style of play, but the gumption it takes to keep doing it. If they lose that effort it won't work.

I'm guessing it's a great way to stop gap a team until your young talent takes over.

I couldn't agree more. I think a lot of people just don't understand how stats work. If there is an "average", it means that there are going to be some players above it and below it. There is no cosmic force that is going to push the players from either side toward the average.

If the league average shooting percentage was higher (or lower) than the league average in most years, then it would be fair to expect a regression toward the mean, but it doesn't mean that one datum point in particular will regress.

[Locke]

I've never heard of this kid but the butthurt on HF is strong. Apparently they've been after him for years and he chose Calgary because we have "no defensive prospects like the superstar Oylahz!"

Those guys either need to put the kool-aid down or lace it with enough cyanide to get the job done already.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by heep223

And D. We have a Norris caliber quality defenseman and a fantastic #2 guy. One of have best top 4s in the league. The Avs D are marginal at best.

Couldn't agree more the biggest difference between the Flames and the Avs or Iles or Thrashers of the past is Calgary has heavily relied on outstanding Dmen in their top for, All these teams had the same construction on offensive, good vets, and vary vary promising rookies. But those teams did not have the great D and went as their goalies went.

The Flames are elevating their goaltenders with great Dmen and a strong backcheck. They will continue to improve if

1) their young players can get better,
2) their d can continue to be among the best in the league,
3) and their depth forwards continue to show the 200' work ethic they have.

If they slide it will be because one of those things falls off, not because they had a lucky season this year

(I really hope a year from now somebody quotes this post, saying check, check, and check).

The Oilers lack the good vets on forwards the good d and the great goaltending. All they have is the vary vary promissing young players and they are slowly pissing that youth away.

[Mony]

Agree with all the posts above. It's funny how people seem to think Flames fans actually care about the possible regression next year. We don't actually think we're true contenders yet, the whole season is gravy and Oilers fans are astonishingly, and obviously, bitter and envious. Quite simple. The way you see Oilers fans whining, you would think the vast majority of Flames fans are declaring they're gonna win 5 cups in 10 years or something.

Next year is next year. Let the chips fall where they may.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Mony

Agree with all the posts above. It's funny how people seem to think Flames fans actually care about the possible regression next year. We don't actually think we're true contenders yet, the whole season is gravy and Oilers fans are astonishingly, and obviously, bitter and envious. Quite simple. The way you see Oilers fans whining, you would think the vast majority of Flames fans are declaring they're gonna win 5 cups in 10 years or something.

Next year is next year. Let the chips fall where they may.

I get why they're pissed off, they're into their 9th year of wandering through the desert aimlessly and theres no hope in sight.

The fact of the matter remains that the Oilers are where they are right now because management's game-plan went perfectly to the letter. This was the plan: suck and be rewarded.

Just because things go according to plan doesnt mean it was ever a good plan. But the people who sewered that team are going to be endlessly in charge.

Anyways, back on topic, this guy seems like he has potential and the Flames could easily use another Dman, and I love this move. Free asset. IF the guy shows even a glimmer of anything he could have potential or at the very worst he improves the farm team while getting his tan on in Stockton.

[Gaudreau]

Casey Bailey to Toronto

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Gaudreau

Casey Bailey to Toronto

Probably because he felt it would be too hard to crack the Oilers' lineup

[Racki]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Probably because he felt it would be too hard to crack the Oilers' lineup

Agreed. Mainly due to their glut of talented young right wingers.

[1Nite]

I wish and hope he turns out to be somewhere along the lines of Rob Blake, I know that's probably a stretch, but his description has me thinking that, Blake did put up better offensive numbers in his college years.

As for Colorado, this is nothing new they have been going through alternating seasons of up and down for a while.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Is Jamie Macoun a fair comparable?

[icecube]

Originally Posted by 1Nite

I wish and hope he turns out to be somewhere along the lines of Rob Blake, I know that's probably a stretch, but his description has me thinking that, Blake did put up better offensive numbers in his college years.

As for Colorado, this is nothing new they have been going through alternating seasons of up and down for a while.

I think it would be less of a stretch if he turned out closer to this Rob Blake than hockey Hall of famer Rob Blake. But here's hoping anyway.

[Ulrith]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Quite the statement that the Oilers could not convince an Oilers fan that they have been courting for more than 2 years and lose him to their biggest rival.

I thought Buffalo had replaced us as their biggest rival?

[Bingo]

The only thing left that can go wrong for Joe Oilerfan is Bennett finishing up his OHL season in the second run, then flying into Calgary to score three goals in two games as the Flames upset the Canucks in the first round.

[Moneyhands23]

Any info on when he will play his first game?

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Any info on when he will play his first game?

He is supposed to report to Adirondack after his exams are over.

Then it is up to Huska.