The USA is doing a better job with pollution than Canada:

[White Doors]

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2...703450-cp.html

U.S. manufacturing facilities cut their releases of toxics by 21 per cent between 1998 and 2003, while Canadian manufacturers cut releases by 10 per cent.
"The U.S. is doing a better job, I think this is fairly consistent," William Kennedy, executive director of the commission, said in an interview Wednesday

[Resolute 14]

Go Kyoto!

[White Doors]

Ahhh... But Kyoto is only concerned with CO2. Toxic, cancer causing chemicals be damned! It's bad breath we're after! The US is alos doing a better job with CO2 emissions as well.

Oh boys.

[StoneCole]

big deal...Canada's pollution is spread out over a much larger area, and as I like to say: "dillution is the solution to polution"

[Flashpoint]

Uhhhh, yeah...

...I live in Texas...

....and no, the US is not doing better than Canada when it comes to pollution. It stinks here and you can't drink the water. Add that to a president who...

...why bother.

[Weiser Wonder]

But White Doors, what's bringing this reduction in toxic waste from the United States? Good ole fashioned conservatism? In fact, in the opposite. Those damn regulating liberals!

Kennedy said U.S. pollution is generally subject to greater regulation while Canada relies more on voluntary actions by industry. "You have greater reductions when that control is there than when you don't."

[StoneCole]

Originally Posted by Weiser Wonder

But White Doors, what's bringing this reduction in toxic waste from the United States? Good ole fashioned conservatism? In fact, in the opposite. Those damn regulating liberals!

Moscow, ID?

How are the Vandals? Ever get a chance to see the Calgary-Kid Rolly Lumbala?

[Weiser Wonder]

The Vandals are better off than they have been in a long time. Dennis Erickson is our new coach, two NCAA championships under his belt. Rolly was hurt for most of last year's season, IIRC. When he isn't hurt he's not that effective, along with the rest of the offense. Vandal football was a campus joke last year (although not as much as Vandal basketball).

Thanks for asking, btw. You have any connections to U of I? Because I usually get a blank stare when I tell people I go to school in Moscow, Idaho.

[Burninator]

U.S. manufacturing facilities cut their releases of toxics by 21 per cent between 1998 and 2003, while Canadian manufacturers cut releases by 10 per cent.
"The U.S. is doing a better job, I think this is fairly consistent," William Kennedy, executive director of the commission, said in an interview Wednesday

This sounds a little misleading. The U.S. may have cut more pollution but I am sure they still have more pollution going into the air than Canada. Like if the U.S. is polluting 10 million tonnes of pollution and Canada is polluting 3 million tonnes and the U.S. cut theirs in half to 5 million and we cut ours by a third. On the surface the U.S. is polluting less.

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by Burninator

This sounds a little misleading. The U.S. may have cut more pollution but I am sure they still have more pollution going into the air than Canada. Like if the U.S. is polluting 10 million tonnes of pollution and Canada is polluting 3 million tonnes and the U.S. cut theirs in half to 5 million and we cut ours by a third. On the surface the U.S. is polluting less.

Ok, not sure what your trying to say here.. The USA cut their pollution by 21% and Canada has cut theirs by 10&.. what's so hard about that?

Come on, I know it goes against the good 'ol CBC sterotype, but facts are facts.

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by Weiser Wonder

But White Doors, what's bringing this reduction in toxic waste from the United States? Good ole fashioned conservatism? In fact, in the opposite. Those damn regulating liberals!

Whatever works, I am not against any regulations against needlessly emitting toxic chemicals in to the air land or water. Who would be?

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by White Doors

Ok, not sure what your trying to say here.. The USA cut their pollution by 21% and Canada has cut theirs by 10&.. what's so hard about that?

Come on, I know it goes against the good 'ol CBC sterotype, but facts are facts.

OK, let's say I weigh 200 pounds, and you weigh 150 pounds. We both go on diets and I lose 40 pounds, and you lose 5 pounds. I lost 20% of my weight, but you were only able to lose 3% of yours.

I lost a greater percentage, but you still weigh less than I do.

Does that make sense now?

[blankall]

When looking at pollution and comparing two countries like Canada and the US you have to look at it per capita.

Per capita Canada is much worse than the US. Canada is one of the worst countries in the world for reducing its rates too. We have no hope of meeting our Kyoto goals....

[FlamesAddiction]

It's hard to compare.

The U.S. has been able to outsource their most offending types of industries to 3rd world countries. Are they actually creating less pollution, or is it just in other people's yards now?

Canada on the other hand, is mainly a natural resource producing and refining country. It's really hard to sweep that under the rug for some very obvious and practical reasons.

Still, I hope the current government does everything they can to improve things.

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by blankall

When looking at pollution and comparing two countries like Canada and the US you have to look at it per capita.

Per capita Canada is much worse than the US. Canada is one of the worst countries in the world for reducing its rates too. We have no hope of meeting our Kyoto goals....

thank you!

Of course, The US has an economy 10 times the size fo Canada, of COURSE they pollute more. Sheesh,...

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It's hard to compare.

The U.S. has been able to outsource their most offending types of industries to 3rd world countries. Are they actually creating less pollution, or is it just in other people's yards now?

Canada on the other hand, is mainly a natural resource producing and refining country. It's really hard to sweep that under the rug for some very obvious and practical reasons.

Still, I hope the current government does everything they can to improve things.

Call centres in India are major polluters?

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by White Doors

Call centres in India are major polluters?

Yeah... thats the only outsourcing US companies have done... call centres.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by fotze

It's like blaming the teenage hooker instead of the John for the ills of prostitution.

Or blaming the dealer rather than the addict?

[Daradon]

Yeah it's been known for a while that the U.S. has reduced their pollution more so than Canada's and it should be a wake up call to our government.

However, like Flames Addiction said, the story isn't always so simple.

As well, the U.S. might have had more opportunity for improvement. And I'm not just talking in the per capita sense, because that's really the best way to measure in this instance anyway. I mean, it's possible they might have had more underboard or illegal polluters to begin with, lower standards or whatever. They may have IMPROVED or CUT more lately, but still might be producing the same or more per capita.

And it's so different between states too. As Flashpoint mentioned, Texas is brutal, I agree, I have also been there. But L.A./Cali has done a GREAT job of lowering their emissions and pollution and becoming greener in general.

It's hard to say. Still though, Canada does need to get more green for sure, and could probably look south of the border for some ideas.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Or blaming the dealer rather than the addict?

No I don't think it's really like that......People make the choice to use oil on a daily basis. We have no physical addiction to it. The fact that we have the choice to pollute or take a more inconvenient method does not mean we should be excused from polluting because an oil company has made oil available.

Also I don't think it's fair to compare southern and northern states in terms of how much they have reduced. You have to take into account that the northern states are far more commercially orientated, while the south is far more industrial/agriculture orientated. Obviously industry and agriculture create more pollution.

In our own country Alberta has probably reduced emissions overall the least. Alberta is growing economically and by population making it much harder to reduce overall pollution output. Also Alberta has far more industry and agriculture per capita than other provinces. This is the problem w/ Kyoto in my opinion. It does not do enough to take into account growth and economic realities. By setting non-realistic goals for certain regions, it basically gets ignored.