03-20-2015, 12:23 AM
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#221
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Powerplay Quarterback
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They don't even have to pan out. Just off of the comparisons to Dan Dekeyser I bet he's worth at least a third rounder today. It's like Treliving just traded nothing for a top 100 draft pick. Lovely asset management.
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03-20-2015, 12:41 AM
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#222
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDebaser
They don't even have to pan out. Just off of the comparisons to Dan Dekeyser I bet he's worth at least a third rounder today. It's like Treliving just traded nothing for a top 100 draft pick. Lovely asset management.
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And (in my opinion) more importantly, a partially developed asset. A free third rounder is terrific, but especially with defencemen, you need to wait years before reaping the benefits. So as a bonus, this signing is more in line with the timeframes of the forwards we have.
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03-20-2015, 02:38 AM
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#223
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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...so...
Next Shea Weber?
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03-20-2015, 03:11 AM
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#224
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Franchise Player
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I think aside from the obvious here - the fact that he has a chance to make the team sometime in the near future, and the fact that Calgary is looked upon as a team on the rise - I wonder if there is a couple of added incentives to signing here.
Firstly, Flames have signed college free agents lately and they played in the NHL. I think that is a big thing.
They also showed they are not afraid of ignoring contract statuses - vets have been traded away in favor of some young guys, vets (Setoguchi, O'Brien, etc) have been demoted and a spot for a young guy opened up. They also showed that they are not afraid of 'losing an ELC' year in Poirier, which many other teams would try and keep.
The first is definitely valid I think. The second may be a bit of a reach.. however:
What I think may be JUST as important is the fact that Calgary doesn't screw with their players. You are injured? You will be properly evaluated and taken care of (not like another Alberta team). You feel you don't get a chance here? Heck, we will be fair to you and will even trade you to a rival. Flames could have just held onto Sven's rights for a long time even if he didn't want to sign, even after he goes to Europe. Some teams do just that.
Flames seem to be in the business of not only winning, but in treating players fairly. One thing that stuck in my head was the mandate from the ownership group a while ago (forgot the timeline now): "Don't look to sign players for the cheapest possible. Sign them to fair deals." I am sure the players very much appreciate having an organization that treats them well.
Really great that the Flames signed him. He may become a core piece down the road, a solid depth piece that helps the Flames win, or he may amount to nothing at all in the long-term. Can't go wrong with signing a guy with legitimate potential and who also helps shore-up an area of weakness.
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03-20-2015, 03:58 AM
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#225
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Big? Good
Mobile? Good
Hard shot? Good
Physical? Good
Free? GOOD
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03-20-2015, 04:53 AM
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#226
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Calgary signs college prospect Kenney Morrison to 2yr ELC and ATO to play in ADK
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Originally Posted by GranteedEV
...so...
Next Shea Weber?
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His value was just approximated in the 3rd rounder range; we may have to settle for someone in the Nicklas Lidstrom mould. 
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03-20-2015, 05:38 AM
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#227
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Lifetime Suspension
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Never heard of the kid before today so I asked a couple of friends if they knew about him, not much on current playing style but apparently he was a skilled but very undersized player in his youth and had a late growth spurt.
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03-20-2015, 06:39 AM
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#228
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Toronto, ON
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The sooner he starts drinking the same elixirs as Gio, Brodie, Wideman and Russell, the bettter!
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03-20-2015, 07:40 AM
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#229
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by squirtle
Big? Good
Mobile? Good
Hard shot? Good
Physical? Good
Free? GOOD
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I am assuming this is supposed to be read with Joey (from Friends) voice? Cuz that's how I read it.
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03-20-2015, 08:37 AM
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#230
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Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe
They also showed they are not afraid of ignoring contract statuses - vets have been traded away in favor of some young guys, vets (Setoguchi, O'Brien, etc) have been demoted and a spot for a young guy opened up. They also showed that they are not afraid of 'losing an ELC' year in Poirier, which many other teams would try and keep.
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Poirier slides if he doesn't play 9 game though right? Seems like they are keeping that in mind with his deployment right now.
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03-20-2015, 08:44 AM
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#231
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by N-E-B
Maybe our defense prospects aren't that great, I'll give them that, but to say they have more depth on the blueline in insane. They're top defenseman wouldn't even come close to cracking our top 4.
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Based on the quotes, they seem to have meant prospects. And I might give them that, simply because of Nurse.
But organizationally, the Oilers might have three NHL calibre defencemen, total.
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03-20-2015, 08:47 AM
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#232
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Thunder Bay Ontario
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Well I guess MacT is laughing at us and the joke is on the Flames for 2 reasons: Morrison can hardly toe drag and secondly, the oilers don't even play defense!
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03-20-2015, 08:49 AM
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#233
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
Poirier slides if he doesn't play 9 game though right? Seems like they are keeping that in mind with his deployment right now.
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I don't think so - he's played more than 9 "pro" games this season, just most in the A. I think the "slides" rule is only for kids returning to junior isn't it?
Or am I missing something?
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03-20-2015, 08:51 AM
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#234
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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Quote:
Originally Posted by old-fart
I don't think so - he's played more than 9 "pro" games this season, just most in the A. I think the "slides" rule is only for kids returning to junior isn't it?
Or am I missing something?
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It's about NHL games, not pro games. It doesn't matter how many AHL games he's playing - if he plays less than 10 in the NHL, his contract slides.
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03-20-2015, 08:51 AM
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#235
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Scoring Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by squirtle
Big? Good
Mobile? Good
Hard shot? Good
Physical? Good
Free? GOOD
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Slight modification:
Big? Good
Mobile? Good
Hard shot? Good
Physical? Good
Free? PRICELESS...
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03-20-2015, 08:53 AM
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#236
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Winchestertonfieldville Jail
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Stealing any prospect from the Oilers radar feels damn good. #### you no good Oilers! HA!
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03-20-2015, 09:16 AM
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#237
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Resolute 14
Based on the quotes, they seem to have meant prospects. And I might give them that, simply because of Nurse.
But organizationally, the Oilers might have three NHL calibre defencemen, total.
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One quote I saw had them including Hanifin as one of their prospects.
The level of stupid there is funny though. They actually thought growing up an Oiler fan was a big factor. When has that ever been a factor for a kid with an agent signing anywhere?
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03-20-2015, 09:17 AM
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#238
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
Poirier slides if he doesn't play 9 game though right? Seems like they are keeping that in mind with his deployment right now.
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Yes, the 9 games do count. I just figured he will get 4 more games from now and through into the playoffs. You have a big point though - he may indeed not get his 9.
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03-20-2015, 09:20 AM
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#239
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Resident Videologist
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
The level of stupid there is funny though. They actually thought growing up an Oiler fan was a big factor. When has that ever been a factor for a kid with an agent signing anywhere?
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DeKeyser I think.
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03-20-2015, 09:25 AM
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#240
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Really the kid probably just looks at Schultz as the reason not to go to Edmonton.
Saw how poorly he was developed after being thrown to the wolves and thought "I don't want to be that guy in 3 years."
Might actually be a smart kid who wants to go somewhere he will develop properly.
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