Peak Oil

[Hakan]

You seem to be implying that electrical generation from oil can be easily replaced. It can't.

That's the problem.

[White Doors]

not easliy no. Bu the hydrogen car will help with alot of the side effects of burning fossil fuels.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by ken0042

But keep in mind- how does one make hydrogen? It takes electricity.

Electricity can be produced by renewable resources.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by White Doors

not easliy no. Bu the hydrogen car will help with alot of the side effects of burning fossil fuels.

Not to mention Ethanol

[Red Mile Style]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

I'm certainly no expert on hydro-electric energy, however, as a casual observer and from what I have read, it seems like Canada could be doing much more to cash in on its hydroelectric energy potential. Maybe the people from Quebec are a little smarter than us and have taken advantage of opportunities that the rest of us, who spend too much time arguing with each other, fail to see.

Also, it seems like a long distance from N. Quebec's hydro-electric facility and New York city. Does anyone know the distances involved?

Are you serious?!?!?! Do you have any idea of the ecological imprints due to the hydro dams with HydroQuebec? We're talking about forests being flooded and lethal mercury being released into the water as a result.

Although I would have to say, if done correctly, hydro power is probably a pretty good option.

[Finner]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Not to mention Ethanol

The amount of oil it would take to replace even 5% of the trillion plus cars on the road that run on fossil fuels would be astronomical.

You need oil for nearly all of the industrial processes to create a car; Steel, Rubber.

Not to mention their is no way to really increase the production of ethanol without planting crops on arable land already used for crops. So what do you do? Remove 5% of the food production in the world and replace it with crops for ethanol?

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by Finner

The amount of oil it would take to replace even 5% of the trillion plus cars on the road that run on fossil fuels would be astronomical.

You need oil for nearly all of the industrial processes to create a car; Steel, Rubber.

Not to mention their is no way to really increase the production of ethanol without planting crops on arable land already used for crops. So what do you do? Remove 5% of the food production in the world and replace it with crops for ethanol?

OK, I would be interested to see how you figure there are a trillion cars on the road. That would mean every man, woman, and child each has 167.

The other thing is nobody is saying take good cars off the road. Just when building the 2008 model Honda, make them run on ethanol instead of gasoline.

And use waste crops for production of ethanol. We humans are pretty picky about our food- most of us go over our fruits and veggies before putting them into the cart. The ones destined for ethanol can be a lower grade; ones that can grow in a shorter period, or over the winter. I believe there's already a crop called winter wheat; planted in the fall and harvested in the spring.

[Tiger]

Originally Posted by White Doors

not easliy no. Bu the hydrogen car will help with alot of the side effects of burning fossil fuels.

Currently we have to burn fossil fuels to get hydrogen, so hydrogen cars will only change where fossil fuels are being burned

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by Red Mile Style

Are you serious?!?!?! Do you have any idea of the ecological imprints due to the hydro dams with HydroQuebec? We're talking about forests being flooded and lethal mercury being released into the water as a result.

Although I would have to say, if done correctly, hydro power is probably a pretty good option.

Interesting. I wasn't aware that flooding forests caused problems with mercury pollution. Hopefully the problem is fairly short lived, or overblown by the scientists.

[Finner]

Originally Posted by ken0042

OK, I would be interested to see how you figure there are a trillion cars on the road. That would mean every man, woman, and child each has 167.

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Haha sorry I got a little overzealous. I meant approximately a billion.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Finner

The amount of oil it would take to replace even 5% of the trillion plus cars on the road that run on fossil fuels would be astronomical.

You need oil for nearly all of the industrial processes to create a car; Steel, Rubber.

Not to mention their is no way to really increase the production of ethanol without planting crops on arable land already used for crops. So what do you do? Remove 5% of the food production in the world and replace it with crops for ethanol?

Ahh

We already make way more food than is consumed, there is lots of room for growth.

[moncton golden flames]

Originally Posted by ken0042

The other thing is nobody is saying take good cars off the road. Just when building the 2008 model Honda, make them run on ethanol instead of gasoline.

I totally agree. But where is the infrastructure to support such a change? I don't see many/any Ethanol re-fill stations. It will take yrs before there is enough stations to allow a car to travel outside the city on to our highways.

[ken0042]

I guess the one thing that could be done is to eliminate one of the grades of gasoline being sold; perhaps mid-grade.

When unleaded first came out many stations got rid of their High Test Leaded gas to support the new fuel. I would think with ethanol being a liquid and having many similar properties to gasoline the transition wouldn't be very hard. The only difference would be somebody would have to manually pump the last few 100 litres out of the gas station's tanks. I know when Leaded was phased out, at the station I was working at we were using mid-grade unleaded in the leaded system for about 2 months before changing the name over to mid-grade.