I think he really believes what he said. Goes back to what happened in the church. He thinks they are evil.
I think he is an Alexandrian-esque type person in that he doesn't fully understand the world, and so believes Rick to be evil. He thinks there can be a peaceful resolution to everything. I think Deanna is smarter than that though.
Rick even gave opportunities to people before he annihilated them, but realized 10 out of 10 times, other groups are hostile. If you don't kill them, they will kill you.
He doesn't realize you need to kill or you will be killed. Killing with a gun or a machete doesn't matter, except for the fact that the machete saves rounds. And makes for some good drama
Ya I think he has been dealing with this since they showed up in the church. He thought he was evil for locking his doors, then he saw what 'true evil' was. A good example would be Rick and crew bashing in the Terminus crew's heads with their rifles.
"saving bullets" He was appalled.
Thanks for filling me in on the 'we panicked, not them'.. I never would have got that but it makes total sense. Last two episodes should be good.
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PS: I thought it was lame that aiden didn't die immediately. I mean like COME ON! Look how close he was to the blast. But he died anyway I guess, so all is well.
Plus his face should have been burned right off at that range and limbs missing with blowback like he got. Dude did surprisingly well with only two impalements.
Plus his face should have been burned right off at that range and limbs missing with blowback like he got. Dude did surprisingly well with only two impalements.
The blew the CGI & prosthetics budget for that episode on Noah. Only explanation.
How about Abraham going medieval on those zombies? All with a big grin on his face. In terms of the mindless-entertainment side of things, that was pure gold.
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How about Abraham going medieval on those zombies? All with a big grin on his face. In terms of the mindless-entertainment side of things, that was pure gold.
How about Abraham going medieval on those zombies? All with a big grin on his face. In terms of the mindless-entertainment side of things, that was pure gold.
Yup, that was great. His badass'ness shocked the Alexandrians.
Allowed him to take over the construction crew fairly easily.
What is Gabriel's motivation for talking smack about Rick and crew?
Self preservation?
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I think he really believes what he said. Goes back to what happened in the church. He thinks they are evil.
The whole business at the outset showed him struggling with his role. He's basically overcome by guilt. I think that whole speech was really about himself. "They don't deserve this"... he doesn't think he does either. But he's a coward, so he can't bring himself to say so.
Anxious to see how Deanna reacts to Aiden's death. You know Nicolas is going to lie about what happened. The only other witness is Glen - Tara was unconscious, Eugene was elsewhere. Glen will no doubt lose his sh** over that given what he had to watch and how unnecessary it was.
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This is setting up nicely for Rick et al. to take over. I am pretty sure that Big Red will have the support of the construction crew after that display.
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I liked how this episode developed Eugene a bit. No longer as useless and deranged as he once was.
What is Gabriel's motivation for talking smack about Rick and crew?
Self preservation?
Should be a good finish leading up to the season finale.
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I think he really believes what he said. Goes back to what happened in the church. He thinks they are evil.
Another really fantastic episode with all sorts of branches of background, veiled truths, and potential storyline and conflicts weaving together.
As to the quoted posts, I was fine with the episode up until the Gabriel gone Judas speech. Seems like an absolute contradiction of character given what he has done himself and how, essentially, Rick's group got him to 'paradise'. Strange time to draw such a distinct ethical line in the sand for that character, and at such an abrupt moment. I can't recall anything so egregious, outside of the Terminus church massacre, that would have given him any justification.
I appreciate the tension that is definitely going to arise out of this, but I think it was poorly executed narrative once again. Too bad considering how solid an episode and how great the show has been since Aaron came a'knockin at the barn. I've read the responses in the thread concerning Gabriel's motivations, but I'm not quite there with accepting this turn (other than he's a complete coward). Any other insights?
Oh, and mother-dick...
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Another really fantastic episode with all sorts of branches of background, veiled truths, and potential storyline and conflicts weaving together.
As to the quoted posts, I was fine with the episode up until the Gabriel gone Judas speech. Seems like an absolute contradiction of character given what he has done himself and how, essentially, Rick's group got him to 'paradise'. Strange time to draw such a distinct ethical line in the sand for that character, and at such an abrupt moment. I can't recall anything so egregious, outside of the Terminus church massacre, that would have given him any justification.
I appreciate the tension that is definitely going to arise out of this, but I think it was poorly executed narrative once again. Too bad considering how solid an episode and how great the show has been since Aaron came a'knockin at the barn. I've read the responses in the thread concerning Gabriel's motivations, but I'm not quite there with accepting this turn (other than he's a complete coward). Any other insights?
Oh, and mother-dick...
Maybe Rick told Gabriel to do that to gauge Deanna's reaction?
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Another really fantastic episode with all sorts of branches of background, veiled truths, and potential storyline and conflicts weaving together.
As to the quoted posts, I was fine with the episode up until the Gabriel gone Judas speech. Seems like an absolute contradiction of character given what he has done himself and how, essentially, Rick's group got him to 'paradise'. Strange time to draw such a distinct ethical line in the sand for that character, and at such an abrupt moment. I can't recall anything so egregious, outside of the Terminus church massacre, that would have given him any justification.
I appreciate the tension that is definitely going to arise out of this, but I think it was poorly executed narrative once again. Too bad considering how solid an episode and how great the show has been since Aaron came a'knockin at the barn. I've read the responses in the thread concerning Gabriel's motivations, but I'm not quite there with accepting this turn (other than he's a complete coward). Any other insights?
Oh, and mother-dick...
I can understand where he is coming from.
He thinks he's found paradise, he's been greeted in, and he can be a priest again (the note and strawberries). He feels like he has purpose, and he sees this group of people that has proven you don't have to be savages to survive in this world. He thinks that is the norm, and that Rick's group are evil (you can't say they haven't done anything egregious...except that time they slaughtered a bunch of people in side the church...that's not an "Excpet that one time" type of thing you could brush off).
Anyway, I think Gabriel is thinking, "See, these people in Alexandria are good and have made this world work without doing horrible things. Rick's group have all done horrible things and therefore are evil, and now they are trying to spread that evil to this paradise".
I think it's a case of Gabriel still not understanding exactly what this new world is like, and wrongly assuming that Alexandria is the norm, and Rick's group is an extreme outlier, instead of the truth which is the exact opposite.
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I can understand where he is coming from.
He thinks he's found paradise, he's been greeted in, and he can be a priest again (the note and strawberries). He feels like he has purpose, and he sees this group of people that has proven you don't have to be savages to survive in this world. He thinks that is the norm, and that Rick's group are evil (you can't say they haven't done anything egregious...except that time they slaughtered a bunch of people in side the church...that's not an "Excpet that one time" type of thing you could brush off).
Anyway, I think Gabriel is thinking, "See, these people in Alexandria are good and have made this world work without doing horrible things. Rick's group have all done horrible things and therefore are evil, and now they are trying to spread that evil to this paradise".
I think it's a case of Gabriel still not understanding exactly what this new world is like, and wrongly assuming that Alexandria is the norm, and Rick's group is an extreme outlier, instead of the truth which is the exact opposite.
But he burnt his neck collar thingy. Also, how does this play into him ripping up his bible at the begining of the show?
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