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GioforPM · 03-09-2015, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Poe969

Trades like that would probably happen at the draft or maybe a few days before. It would be amazing to move up or potentially get more than one first rounder. What if they moved some other picks for another first rounder than moved the 2 firsts for a high first.

How would everyone feel if Treliving offered all of our picks for a top 3 pick...

I just haven't seen Hanifin or Eichel enough. Obviously yes for McDavid.

stemit14 · 03-09-2015, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Poe969

Trades like that would probably happen at the draft or maybe a few days before. It would be amazing to move up or potentially get more than one first rounder. What if they moved some other picks for another first rounder than moved the 2 firsts for a high first.

How would everyone feel if Treliving offered all of our picks for a top 3 pick...

I'm sure most of us would be fine with treliving making that trade... But I seriously doubt any team would give up a top 3 pick in a draft like this for that package. The quality is too high for the quantity to be worth it.

However, I could see the potential for the flames to possibly move up into the top 10 with a package like that.

dammage79 · 03-09-2015, 01:21 PM

Top 5 I think are locked from from trading into for this draft. Could get to 6 or 7 depending on cost and how far a team is willing to drop.

Robbob · 03-09-2015, 01:30 PM

Came across this a little while ago and meant to post it earlier. Interesting chart that, based of historical trades, gives you the cost to trade up. Kind of fun to play around with what it would cost to move.

http://www.broadstreethockey.com/201...lue-trading-up

Hackey · 03-09-2015, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Are you guys atlking about trading picks near draft day, because it will be a lot easier to get a top 10 pick after the lottery. I don't see any picks with even a 1% chance moving before then.

Yes at the draft of course. At this point you wouldn't even know what you were trading for.

Hackey · 03-09-2015, 02:00 PM

I agree it will probably be almost impossible to get into the top 5. Of course that would be amazing. Top 10 will be tough as well but I think that is far more likely. I'd rather see the Flames draft someone who they are very confident will be an impact player as opposed to 3-4 guys that they like but the level of uncertainty is much higher. Unfortunately I think most teams probably share the same opinion.

Mattman · 03-09-2015, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Poe969

...How would everyone feel if Treliving offered all of our picks for a top 3 pick...

I would feel...my pockets for my phone...To call my wife...To tell her to round up the baby calf...So that when I get home...I can sacrifice the baby cow to the great Lord Brad, for delivering McJesus to his kingdom of Calgary!

Hackey · 03-09-2015, 02:40 PM

I think it's pretty safe to assume that no one will be trading the top 2 picks. 3rd seems possible though. So would I trade all 6 picks for 3rd overall? That's a tough call. With the 3rd pick your likely getting an impact player who has a high chance of being on your top line or top pairing in the future. The 6 picks are a lot more questionable but you also have the chance of landing multiple NHL players. If you could land 3rd though I think I'd do it. If things go right in both scenarios I think I'd prefer the one dominant player over possibly 2-3 good NHL players. It's a tough call. Whoever has the 3rd pick though I think would likely hold on to it so most likely not a decision you even need to worry about.

albertGQ · 03-09-2015, 02:58 PM

I wouldn't think twice. I would trade all 6 for 3rd overall in a heartbeat

Matata · 03-09-2015, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by albertGQ

I wouldn't think twice. I would trade all 6 for 3rd overall in a heartbeat

if all you get in a draft is a single elite player, it is a good draft. Especially given the depth of our current prospect base.

Hackey · 03-09-2015, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Matata

if all you get in a draft is a single elite player, it is a good draft. Especially given the depth of our current prospect base.

That's assuming 3rd overall becomes an elite player though. You do have to consider the scenario that they don't. Drouin for example who I still think will improve a lot is a player in a pretty deep top heavy draft that was selected 3rd overall and hasn't quite met expectations yet. In that amazing 2003 draft Horton and Zherdev went 3 and 4. Horton really helped Boston win the Cup but his time in Florida was pretty forgettable. 2008 you have Bogosian at 3 while Stamkos Doughty and Pietrangelo made up the other top 4.

GioforPM · 03-09-2015, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Hackey

That's assuming 3rd overall becomes an elite player though. You do have to consider the scenario that they don't. Drouin for example who I still think will improve a lot is a player in a pretty deep top heavy draft that was selected 3rd overall and hasn't quite met expectations yet. In that amazing 2003 draft Horton and Zherdev went 3 and 4. Horton really helped Boston win the Cup but his time in Florida was pretty forgettable. 2008 you have Bogosian at 3 while Stamkos Doughty and Pietrangelo made up the other top 4.

I agree. Hanifin is a pretty concensus number 3 but I think it's a pretty big gap between Eichel and him. And I also think it's a lot harder predict eliteness for junior defencemen outside of a rare few.

On reflection though, I'd probably still do the trade for a top 3 and some sort of big trade for a top 6.

troutman · 03-09-2015, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by albertGQ

I wouldn't think twice. I would trade all 6 for 3rd overall in a heartbeat

I'd rather have 6 picks in the top 80, in a deep draft.

Da_Chief · 03-09-2015, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by troutman

I'd rather have 6 picks in the top 80, in a deep draft.

Agreed. We're not getting McDavid or Eichel so I'd rather have 6 tickets then 1.

We have our star players already in Monahan, Gaudreau, Giordano. Others are becoming solid support players. We need to keep adding to that.

albertGQ · 03-09-2015, 03:39 PM

http://www.broadstreethockey.com/201...lue-trading-up

Looking at this table, it looks like we didn't offer the Avs enough in 2013 when we offered them Monahan (6), Poirier (22) & Klimhcuk (28) for Mackinnen (1).

Robbob · 03-09-2015, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by albertGQ

http://www.broadstreethockey.com/201...lue-trading-up

Looking at this table, it looks like we didn't offer the Avs enough in 2013 when we offered them Monahan (6), Poirier (22) & Klimhcuk (28) for Mackinnen (1).

Using the chart, the picks we currently have add up to around 50. That is good for the 5th pick value wise.

dammage79 · 03-09-2015, 04:03 PM

So many players to look at and draft in the first three rounds. Having 3.....3! 2nd round picks is a boon. Even if they moved one to move up in the 1st round 5 or 6 spots you're still looking at a solid selection of players in the 2nd. So many ways this draft can go down for the Flames.

Can they trade into the top ten? sure they have the bullets in the chamber to try, but if they cannot, the top 12 is a very attractive option as well.

sureLoss · 03-09-2015, 08:49 PM

New Jersey might be a target for the Flames to move up.

They arguably need a lot of quantity in their prospect system over just one quality prospect.

Anyways trading up into the top 10 has proved to be difficult in the salary cap era. You usually have to offer up young established players to get them.

Mony · 03-09-2015, 10:28 PM

I'd love for us to move up way high in the draft but if the player at hypothetically third overall doesn't pan out, gah, it just scares me! Plus our drafting in the later rounds has improved I think, but a higher pick to nab an elite dman probably moves the rebuild along significantly... hmmm. We already have lots of depth/skill though in goal and C. Left wing too. Right wing is getting there but the D is the biggest weakness. The Flames as an organization are heavy on quantity, but outside the LW, C, and G, not so much on quality.

I think you take the risk and draft hypothetical 3rd overall for Hanifin. For the poor team that's willing to give up a 3rd overall for all of our top 6... yeesh.

sureLoss · 03-10-2015, 09:54 AM

McKeen's top 30 for March.

http://www.mckeenshockey.com/uncateg...gs-march-2015/

They too have Kylington in the late 1st at 27th.

Ek Eriksson is the biggest riser from not ranked to 18th.