Conservatives want new law creating life sentences with no parole

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by Rerun

I wonder what the 11 children that Clifford Olson brutally raped and murdered would say about your opinion, if they could talk?

I wonder what these 150 innocent people would say if we'd killed them by mistake...

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/inno...scid=6&did=110

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

I wonder what these 150 innocent people would say if we'd killed them by mistake...

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/inno...scid=6&did=110

That's quite a list. How many of those had multiple murder convictions (serial killings)? None I bet.

You do realize that I only suggested that the death penalty would only be for serial killers?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Rerun

I wonder what the 11 children that Clifford Olson brutally raped and murdered would say about your opinion, if they could talk?

I think they'd thank god for the poor ####### cop and attorney general who had to go through god knows what kind of personal hell paying Olson to give up where he'd buried their bodies.

Given your plan they'd still be in shallow graves out in the backwoods of Poco and their families would never know what had happened to them.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I think they'd thank god for the poor ####### cop and attorney general who had to go through god knows what kind of personal hell paying Olson to give up where he'd buried their bodies.

Given your plan they'd still be in shallow graves out in the backwoods of Poco and their families would never know what had happened to them.

Yes... Another extremely controversial decision made by the justice system. Must have been the same ####ing cop and AG who made the deal with Homolka.

Please note that when the parents of the children sued Olson's wife ,to recover the $100,000 that was paid to CO, courts said no. Another fine example of justice denied.

That decision really sucked.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Yes... Another extremely controversial decision made by the justice system. Must have been the same ####ing cop and AG who made the deal with Homolka.

Please note that when the parents of the children sued Olson's wife ,to recover the $100,000 that was paid to CO, courts said no. Another fine example of justice denied.

That decision really sucked.

Had the courts taken the money back, you could rest assured that would also mark the the last time a murderer would cooperate with the police.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Had the courts taken the money back, you could rest assured that would also mark the the last time a murderer would cooperate with the police.

Maybe yes, maybe no. All I know is that its disgusting that a child molester and murderer should profit from his crimes.
Once convicted they should have put Olson in gen pop instead of protecting him for 20 years.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Of course not... Apples and oranges. Its a silly comparison.

What's so silly about it? Sexual assault is about your balls, right? Can't do it if you don't have balls. Kinda tough to steal things if you don't have your hands.

Originally Posted by Rerun

Now if they are serial murderers/serial sex offenders (ie Paul Bernardo)... I say cut their nuts off and then hang them.

Yeah okay, you say cut their nuts off and hang them, but what about the logistics of this procedure?

Who's the lucky person that gets to do this? Is it you?

You've got this criminal in the stirrups (tied down of course, because an anesthetic would certainly diminish the justice), are you walking up with the scalpel (or maybe a little guillotine) to cut his nuts off?

Or are you volunteering someone else to do the deed?

I can't see any Doctor doing it - you know, the Hippocratic Oath and the whole morality thing - but someone has to do it.

Does it come down to a corrections officer? Do you hire someone like, I don't know, Clifford Olson to do something like this?

So many questions. How do you see it working out?

[Rerun]

I doubt there would be a shortage of volunteers. Who knows.. Maybe even the fathers of the children he murdered might want to lend a hand.

[metallicat]

You're making yourself look like quite the buffoon, Rerun. Maybe you should run for public office and try and get the death penalty reinstated along with your penis chopping agenda.

[Rerun]

Look.. I'm semi serious about castration... More wishful thinking on my part for some scum.

As to the death penalty.. I would definitely support it as an option in our justice system for certain criminals.

You may not agree with my opinion about the death penalty, and lord knows there are plenty of perfectly valid arguments against it, but its just the way I feel.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by Rerun

That's quite a list. How many of those had multiple murder convictions? None I bet.

You do realize that I only suggested that the death penalty would only be for serial killers?

Actually if you click on any name on the list you can see the details of the crime they didn't commit. Most, almost all, are multiple murder cases. If not multiple, then cases involving rape and murder or murder of a child, a police officer, (in the 70's a white person), something more awful than just first degree murder (unless you're in Texas).

Each and every case had proof beyond a reasonable doubt as to the guilt of the accused. So I'm not sure why you think serial killers are more worthy of the death penalty than multiple murderers. Is their standard of proof higher than anyone else? Your weird concept makes no sense.

[Rerun]

When I say multiple murder convictions, I mean serial killings that have occurred at different times. Not murders that all happened at the same time.

Go ahead. Show me people on that list who were wrongly convicted of serial killings?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Rerun

When I say multiple murder convictions, I mean serial killings that have occurred at different times. Not murders that all happened at the same time.

Go ahead. Show me people on that list who were wrongly convicted of serial killings?

Wait, so it's more heinous to kill three people on three separate days than three people all on the same day? What the hell kind of logic is that?

[metallicat]

He just keeps changing his tune when challenged.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Wait, so it's more heinous to kill three people on three separate days than three people all on the same day? What the hell kind of logic is that?

No... that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying its more difficult to obtain convictions on three different murder cases than one case that has three murders.

After three separate murder convictions for cases that occurred on three different occasions, I'm pretty sure you can say beyond a reasonable doubt that the murderer is a serial killer and thus deserving of the death penalty.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

He just keeps changing his tune when challenged.

No I'm not. I have only advocated the death penalty for serial killers.... which are people who have multiple convictions for murders that took place at different times.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Rerun

After three separate murder convictions for cases that occurred on three different occasions, I'm pretty sure you can say beyond a reasonable doubt that the murderer is a serial killer and thus deserving of the death penalty.

Sure about that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucia_de_Berk

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Sure about that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucia_de_Berk

I'm not familiar with the case. Was it one trial where she was convicted on 4 murders or was it 4 separate trials where she was convicted of each individual murder?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Rerun

I'm not familiar with the case. Was it one trial where she was convicted on 4 murders or was it 4 separate trials where she was convicted of each individual murder?

Serial killers don't get seperate trials generally, they get one trial with, as in Olsons case, 11 counts.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Serial killers don't get seperate trials generally, they get one trial with, as in Olsons case, 11 counts.

Interesting. I suspect, or hope, that might change if the death penalty was on the table.

Different trials, different jury, different judge. All leading to multiple convictions which would allow (in my world.. although I do realize that I'm in the minority here) the death penalty to be implemented.

I also know that implementing the death penalty, as an option in some murder cases in Canada, is extremely unlikely to happen.