Conservatives want new law creating life sentences with no parole

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Rerun

So they do cut their penis's off. Glad to hear it.

What are you trying to say here? That the study itself is flawed?

[Rerun]

I thought I was being pretty clear. Repeat, dangerous, high risk sex offenders should be castrated...
Unless of course they are being sentenced to life with no parole..

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Rerun

I thought I was being pretty clear. Repeat, dangerous, high risk sex offenders should be castrated...
Unless of course they are being sentenced to life with no parole..

So instead of preventing the crime, you'd rather wait for someone to be assaulted and then react?

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by rubecube

So instead of preventing the crime, you'd rather wait for someone to be assaulted and then react?

You don't think castrating high risk sex offenders will prevent crime?

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Mike F

So, in essence the law is designed to notionally protect the public from the release of individuals who parole boards have deemed are sufficiently rehabilitated to return to society.

Can anyone point to instances where parole boards have paroled individuals with life sentences who went on to reoffend? If not, then, yeah, pandering.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parole_...nd_controversy

There's been quite a few cases actually.

a report by the Canadian Police Association revealed that between 1998 and 2003, 66 people have been killed by convicts out on early release

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Maybe I should have clarified in my earlier post. I was more making reference to the gang bangers and thugs that go around shooting people in the heat of the moment over a drug deal, or the people who get all stab happy and end up shanking a guy outside a nightclub and killing them. Those guys, whether it's 1st or 2nd degree, shouldn't be let out and in my opinion, rehabilitation shouldn't be the main focus with them. Those are the guy who took away someone's right to live who I think should be locked up for life without parole. If you are a convicted drunk driver who killed someone and you are paroled and do it again, you are a threat to society and obviously rehab didn't work. Those guys should be locked away permanently. That's why I agree with what the government is doing.

I entirely see where you're coming from (not necessarily agreeing with it, but I understand the sentiment), however I don't see how the legislation the conservatives are proposing is addresses this; gang crime, drunk driving, etc. are not any of the categories the conservatives have said will be affected by this. They aren't focused on categories where there's a high likelihood of reoffence, they're focused primarily on the sensationalism of the original crime, which in my opinion is entirely the wrong approach.

I'm 100% in favour of a significant overhaul to how our parole system works, to ensure that there's adequate checks and balances, which seem to be currently lacking. The list of parole-board controversies you linked to exactly backs up my point: most of those cases would not have been covered by this new legislation (or would have already been covered by changes the Conservatives already made, like eliminating the faint-hope clause). So let's look at where the parole system has failed and work on improving the parole system, rather than pretending that adding another decade to the terms of people already locked up for 25 years will actually prevent anything.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Rerun

You don't think castrating high risk sex offenders will prevent crime?

Having spent 25 years working with dangerous high risk sex offenders I can say no, won't prevent ####.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Corrections should look at what Norway is doing and copy it.

Norways socio economic make up makes it difficult to apply what works there to here, they have a small mostly racially homogenous middle class suburban to rural population with a high degree of inter connection. If they did absolutely nothing at all they would still have significantly lower crime than Vancouver with its racial diverse large anonymous urban population with a down town east side that is unlike anything Norway could imagine.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Having spent 25 years working with dangerous high risk sex offenders I can say no, won't prevent ####.

That's both interesting and surprising. I'd love to see the statistics of how many sex offenders went on to re-offend after castration.

Obviously lots if castration doesn't prevent ####.

Edit: I just found this on the net...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3565125/

Surgical castration reportedly produces definitive results, even in repeat pedophilic offenders, by reducing recidivism rates to 2% to 5% compared with expected rates of 50%. Chemical castration using LHRH agonists reduces circulating testosterone to very low levels, and also results in very low levels of recidivism despite the strong psychological factors that contribute to sexual offending (10).

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Rerun

That's both interesting and surprising. I'd love to see the statistics of how many sex offenders went on to re-offend after castration.

Obviously lots if castration doesn't prevent ####.

Edit: I just found this on the net...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3565125/

Good luck getting mandated chemical castration by s.7&12 of the Charter.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Rerun

That's both interesting and surprising. I'd love to see the statistics of how many sex offenders went on to re-offend after castration.

Obviously lots if castration doesn't prevent ####.

Edit: I just found this on the net...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3565125/

All of our studies on hormone treatment are on willing offenders who want to reduce their urge to offend, that is an incredibly small group of the best most likely sex offenders to treat.
Hormone treatment requires a life long regime of a drug that can be cut out or chemically suppressed in an offender that is unwilling, and nothing about libido affects the rage filled addicted offender in fact if anything you just going to make them more angry.

Rape is far more than just about sex.

[SebC]

According to figures from Correctional Service Canada, of 658 “murder offenders” released on parole between January 1975 and March 1990, just five — an average of one every three years — were convicted of a second murder. None of the five had originally been convicted of what was then called capital murder, the equivalent of the Harper government’s “heinous” crimes.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/03...y-the-key-act/

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

All of our studies on hormone treatment are on willing offenders who want to reduce their urge to offend, that is an incredibly small group of the best most likely sex offenders to treat.
Hormone treatment requires a life long regime of a drug that can be cut out or chemically suppressed in an offender that is unwilling, and nothing about libido affects the rage filled addicted offender in fact if anything you just going to make them more angry.

Rape is far more than just about sex.

You may very well be right about chemical castration... but I honestly was thinking that surgical castration was a better way to go. Surgical castration is permanent and it avoids all those unpleasant side effects that chemical castration has.

But, I do know that that's a pipe dream on my part. Surgical castration would never happen in Canada... unfortunately.

[troutman]

Some Cons are all tough on crime to avoid talking about the economy.

A Rob Anders Town Hall, or QR77 call-in show is full of this stuff.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Rerun

You may very well be right about chemical castration... but I honestly was thinking that surgical castration was a better way to go. Surgical castration is permanent and it avoids all those unpleasant side effects that chemical castration has.

But, I do know that that's a pipe dream on my part. Surgical castration would never happen in Canada... unfortunately.

So the government cutting people's nuts off is a dream of yours? Okay.

How do you feel about cutting off the hands of thieves?

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

So the government cutting people's nuts off is a dream of yours? Okay.

If they're repeat, dangerous, high risk sex offenders , I'm all for it.

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

How do you feel about cutting off the hands of thieves?

Of course not... Apples and oranges. Its a silly comparison.

A better comparison would be to ask if I support the death penalty for serial murders... which I do.

Now if they are serial murderers/serial sex offenders (ie Paul Bernardo)... I say cut their nuts off and then hang them.

[metallicat]

Originally Posted by Rerun

If they're repeat, dangerous, high risk sex offenders , I'm all for it.

Of course not... Apples and oranges. Its a silly comparison.

A better comparison would be to ask if I support the death penalty for serial murders... which I do.

Now if they are serial murderers/serial sex offenders (ie Paul Bernardo)... I say cut their nuts off and then hang them.

This is Canada. If you want this sort of barbarism, go find a different country. Or a different century.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parole_...nd_controversy

There's been quite a few cases actually.

I don't think that has much meaning. The link to the original report is dead, and the only references are that Wiki site, and Calgarypuck.

66 people killed by people previously convicted of what? Drug offences, vandalism, theft?

Nowhere does it say that they had been previously convicted of murder, and had been given a "real" life sentence wouldn't have gone on to murder more people. If the conviction was for something else, then it doesn't seem wholly relevant. What are the numbers of convicted murderers in Canada going out and killing again?

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

This is Canada. If you want this sort of barbarism, go find a different country. Or a different century.

I wonder what the 11 children that Clifford Olson brutally raped and murdered would say about your opinion, if they could talk?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Rerun

I wonder what the 11 children that Clifford Olson brutally raped and murdered would say about your opinion, if they could talk?

And you think chopping Clifford Olson's nuts off and stringing him from a tree would've brought their families peace? If you think the justice system should be founded on the principles of vengeance and blood-lust, then yeah, you are living in the wrong part of the world.