How Screwed are the Flames?

[chopper89]

Ryan Lambert with another ....interesting ...take on the Flames.

http://tinyurl.com/p5qscnv

He says he watches 'a lot of Flames games'- so I guess he must be right. That said, they've looked outmatched at times, but still pull out the win.

Does that make them 'really bad', or something else?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Wow. I don't even know how to respond to that.

[Enoch Root]

Reading Lambert's continual whining and squirming with respect to the Flames' success this year is like a dollop of ice cream on the big, beautiful slice of pie that this season has become.

[sharkov]

Ryan lambert is a twat

[IgiTang]

Who is Ryan Lambert??!!...

[Anduril]

I'd prefer we shut this thread down and not even give Lambert the benefit of attention.

[Erick Estrada]

Who is this guy? An Oilers fan bitter at the Flames success? He mentions the Flames are awful so many times in the article I kind of stopped reading as it seems he had a bone to pick.

How long are we going to have to endure possession stats being rammed down our throats as the measure of how good a team is when it's your spot in the standings that ultimately determines how good a team is? Why even play for win/loss records any more? Why not play for 60 minutes and have goals count for players stats but the team with the best possession stats at the end of the game gets two points and the other team zero? This way we can ensure that only the best teams compete for the cup.

[CaptainCrunch]

The biggest problem with the Internet is it gives absolute idiots a platform to drool from.

He's the typical smarta$$ moron who has too high of a dependancy on advanced stats because frankly he has no clue about Hockey whatsoever so he blisters with BS.

I think he actually watches as much Flames hockey as I watch My Little Pony, but that's the great equalizer with some of these people, they claim to watch the game.

Hey's he's absolutely right about the Flames/Flyers game, frankly the Flames weren't that good.

Look you can't measure possession stats and judge a team when their game isn't based around a possession game. The Flames take risks score a lot of goals at the start of the rush or on turnovers.

Advanced Stats are ok in my mind if you actually understand a team's game plan and personal, but to throw them out in a column with that much contempt dripping from his words makes him look like a jealous self possessed fool.

Frankly he might as well move right on to telling us that Jean Luc Picard was the better Captain because he was a diplomat, then he can tell us that in the rest of the world Soccer is called football, That iceland is green and greenland is covered in ice, and that he liked hero's better then lost because they actuallyexplained stuff.

Besides I believe this guy is actually an Oilers fan so he wouldn't know how hockey games are won.

[Skaloper]

Originally Posted by chopper89

Ryan Lambert with another ....interesting ...take on the Flames.

http://tinyurl.com/p5qscnv

He says he watches 'a lot of Flames games'- so I guess he must be right. That said, they've looked outmatched at times, but still pull out the win.

Does that make them 'really bad', or something else?

Flames have something that most things don't which is heart and determination. Sure they might not be as skilled but they are able to for the most part play a consistent 60 minutes. Some games they are not able to overcome their opponent until the third but is that a problem if they win?

[chopper89]

Gio and Brodie have been fantastic, that's true.

However, why ignore:

-Monahan's 23 goals have him tied for 11th in NHL goal scoring
-Johnny Hockey is 2nd in NHL rookie scoring
-PP% and PK% are mediocre (18th) but better than 11 other teams
-16th in GF, and 14th in GA are also middle-of-the-pack, which by definition would be 'not-bad'
-Goalies have an average save percentage in the .915-.920 range, which puts them in the top half to third of the league

They're not Anaheim or St.Louis yet, but he actually implies they're barely ahead of Buffalo. Even Oiler/Canuck fans would think twice about trying to make that argument.

[Moneyhands23]

Lamberts entire roll on flamesnation is to draw hits by aggravating the knowledgeable fan base. Often his articles draw a large amount of hits and angry comments.

Basically these hits/comments sell advertising on the site...

[Savvy27]

I stopped visiting Flamesnation after they posted a few of his articles. He contributes nothing other than digital pollution.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Time to jihad this motherfugger! I'm talking old school Jeff Gordon public shaming type of jihad! Whose in?

[CroFlames]

One of the many awesome aspects of this season is defying the enhanced stats guys who swear by it.

I don't necessarily dismiss the enhanced stats as hogwash, but I can't stand guys who swear by it. Some of the TSN articles by that one pencil pusher with the graphs and charts and never ended blabber about "per sixty minutes" is just nauseating.

Flames don't play a possession game. They by and large play a dumb and chase game. Doesn't make it a better or worse style, but it's the style 'Artley has chosen for this group of players.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Who is this guy? An Oilers fan bitter at the Flames success? He mentions the Flames are awful so many times in the article I kind of stopped reading as it seems he had a bone to pick.

I'm almost positive he used to post here as moon.

[Quincy Egg]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Who is this guy? An Oilers fan bitter at the Flames success? He mentions the Flames are awful so many times in the article I kind of stopped reading as it seems he had a bone to pick.

How long are we going to have to endure possession stats being rammed down our throats as the measure of how good a team is when it's your spot in the standings that ultimately determines how good a team is? Why even play for win/loss records any more? Why not play for 60 minutes and have goals count for players stats but the team with the best possession stats at the end of the game gets two points and the other team zero? This way we can ensure that only the best teams compete for the cup.

I'll take examples of sample size for $200, Alex.

The decline will happen this season, or in the 2015/16 season (assuming the possession numbers are similar.) Like it or not, there is a strong correlation between success and possession numbers.

[AC]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

I'm almost positive he used to post here as moon.

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/member.php?u=2865

[Luder]

Haters gunna hate

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

I'm almost positive he used to post here as moon.

If there are any Wideman trashing snippets it's definitely him.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

I'll take examples of sample size for $200, Alex.

The decline will happen this season, or in the 2015/16 season (assuming the possession numbers are similar.) Like it or not, there is a strong correlation between success and possession numbers.

Is this back to the whole Toronto and Colorado thing again?

Toronto failed not because of possession numbers or advanced stats decline but when they had the good year they had a rotten blueline a defensively substandard forward group and got ungodly goaltending

They failed the next year because their goaltending fell back to nornal.

Colorado last year received unbelievable all world goaltending which disguised a poor blueline, and they got a lot of scoring. This year the goaltending wasn't as good and they got exposed.

I would argue that The Flames shouldn't be a victim of the same decline because they're team is more balanced from the start, they have strong two way forwards and a decent defensive core and don't need to depending on god goaltending every night.

PDO was designed to value a team like the Detroit Redwings who play a possession game, the Flames don't follow the game plan so their possession numbers are lower.

Again, there's no correlation unless you look at the make up of the team, the game plan and the unusual factors like goaltenders that normally wouldn't have superstar seasons having superstar seasons.