[Trade] Flames trade Baertschi to VAN for a 2015 2nd round pick (Baertschi requested trade)

[Mony]

You have to seriously question Sven's mental strength if such a normal comment by Burke is enough to send him spiraling down into the abyss like some of you are implying?

[TBone290]

looks so unnatural

[DAN0383]

Eww

[FAN]

As far as I am concerned, in terms of player development and motivating a player, the key is finding the right way to motivate a player. The best coaches in sports often talk about managing people. Since Babcock has been mentioned, he's been quoted as saying that he's been particularly hard on Tatar because he knows he can take it.

Originally Posted by Dajazz

Babcock isn't the least shy to say what he thinks to the media. He called out Hudler on several occasions, worked out pretty well I think.

Holland is pretty frank as well, commenting on prospect progress in the AHL, both positives and negatives.

What Burke said is no different to Holland and/or Babcock saying that Player X has to get stronger, faster or work harder. We see these type of comments almost daily in the media, after games and so on.

But before calling Hudler out, Babcock had praised Hudler previously. And Holland comments on the positives and negatives without focusing on the negatives. The difference is in the delivery. The way Babcock and Holland do it is that hey this player has so much potential, he just needs to improve this and that or why can't he do this every night? The way Burke does it is, this guy shows flashes of brilliance but that's not going to cut it in this league.

Originally Posted by sekimet

Oh please, that was purely motivational speak, you think his poor play was unnoticed by other teams? At that point he was a player the flames singled out as trying to motivate for a position.

And Burke chose the wrong way to motivate this particular player. That's the thing with Burke. He has one way of doing things. There are players he likes and gets his support. There are players he dislike and it's hard to gain his support.

[Hugh Jahrmes]

Originally Posted by Jagermeister

Overall I think considering the circumstances the Flames did alright. Weird how it was to Vancouver though... Wasn't there something about Sven's twitter and following the Canucks not that long ago. Maybe hes always liked Van.

Good catch, I remember that.

TAMPERING!

Maybe he secretly wants to stick it to us, ala Laroque (prob spelled wrong) wanting to sign here after he left NoGoodmonton

[Galakanokis]

Well, reading Burke's comments again that is exactly what's wrong with Sven. It was true before he said and it is still true now. Sven's compete level is very low and it does even lower once he is outside the offensive zone.

You work hard and compete all over the ice you get rewarded. Float around and rely on talent to make one or two plays a game you see the bench. Pretty straight forward. I actually thought Sven was starting to turn the corner but he still wasn't ready, another year to figure it out would have helped.

An undrafted rookie had a major impact on last night's game simple because he worked hard and gained the trust and confidence of his coaches. He made them look up and pay attention to him.

[nemanja2306]

I've been a Sven fan and defended him most of the time and was upset when I heard about the trade - I'm not gonna lie, but if it's true that he basically blackmailed the Flames into trading him, good riddance.

Take your loser mentality and sour attitude to Vancouver. Perfect fit, actually.

[Robbob]

Also who is to say they didn't talk to him privately and it wasn't clicking. A public comment is generally the last resort.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Also who is to say they didn't talk to him privately and it wasn't clicking. A public comment is generally the last resort.

The first hints of wanting a trade didn't come out privately though. A lot of people were in denial about it at the time and it got swept under the rug, but I am sure the news was heard by most GMs around the league.

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...ight=Baertschi

For ex-NLA professional and Agent Andy Rufener is clear: "Sven would have earned a spot. And without discussion. I have seen virtually all warm-up matches. For me it's obvious: Hartley has just one problem with Sven. "
This also looks Papa Baertschi way. "Hartley is on physically strong players. Sven is technically strong. Last year he was put in a straitjacket, was not allowed to play what he could, and eventually did not know what to do. "

The former Langenthal- and Langnau professional twice immediately after: "I have visited in the last year Sven. Psychological distress was great.
Hartley has made him ready, as if he were solely responsible for the defeats. The two will probably never be friends. "

Several clubs were interested in a trade. But the Flames wanted Baertschi did not let them go. Not yet?

"I wonder what ever want from Sven. A change would be best for everyone. This is exactly what I hope now.... "

Unless you believe his dad just came to that conclusion on his own, but I doubt it.

[BigFlameDog]

Well, you have to be physically and mentally strong to play for Hartley and the new version of the Flames....and by physically I mean high compete level not that Hudler, Byron or Gaudreau are physically stronger than Sven.

I like Sven but most teams require that so he is going to have to figure out what he wants to be regardless of where he goes.

And I hope he does....after he is picked up by an eastern team.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by FAN

And Burke chose the wrong way to motivate this particular player. That's the thing with Burke. He has one way of doing things. There are players he likes and gets his support. There are players he dislike and it's hard to gain his support.

Who's to say they didn't have many conversations behind closed doors before he commented to the media.

And really, those comments were very tame. If that's what threw Sven off his game then he'll never be a full time player in the NHL.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

And really, those comments were very tame. If that's what threw Sven off his game then he'll never be a full time player in the NHL.

Why are people committed to this idea that Sven was "thrown off his game"? It's revisionist history.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2013/10/10...tschi-steps-up

This is a game Sven had only 10 days after the Burke comments:

“That’s, by far, the best game that I’ve seen Sven Baertschi play in Calgary,” Hartley said after Thursday’s practice at the Saddledome. “He competed. He was on the puck. He took a run at P.K. Subban, went hard at the net. That’s what I want to see from him.”

“It’s a nice compliment,” Baertschi said. “After what happened before — all the critics and stuff — to respond the way I respond, I think it’s great for me. I don’t want to stop now. I want to keep improving, keep moving forward. I want to make the next game my best game of the year.”

I think people just look at PPG averages and roll off the assumption no progress was made in other aspects of the game.

[Robbob]

^^ that didn't last long

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Robbob

^^ that didn't last long

....He was also a 21 year old in what was essentially his rookie season.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

A lot of people were in denial about it at the time and it got swept under the rug

A lot of people were in denial about a lot of stuff when it came to Baertschi. A lot of those people are still in denial. Baertschi was an immature self-entitled player who thought his talent was enough to play in the NHL. The reality is he isn't that skilled and he is too small to play the way that made him successful in junior. He needs more size, speed, and courage to be a NHL player. The kid just doesn't want to hear that or make the commitment required.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by T@T

Bolded for truth, The minute big mouth Burke slammed our 13th overall pick publicly his worth went down. so glad we don't have to hear from this bloated overrated exec much anymore.

Except for as mentioned before, Sven spiral began way before Burke joined. Burke joined the summer after the season Sven got sent down to the minors for the entire back half of the season following his miracle 5 game stint the year before. Burke's comment were simply repeats of what even Feaster and Hartley were already saying about him.

Sven fan boys are often Burke haters as well, and love to pretend that Sven's down fall all started when Burke arrived and called him out. I wouldn't buy it even if the timing worked out, but given the timing actually doesn't work out at all, its simply an argument of convenience. I like X, I don't like Y, therefore I'm going to convince myself Y hurt X.

[Cflames_12.5]

Originally Posted by TBone290

looks so unnatural

That look suits him. He'll fit right in with a bunch of whining babies. Quitter colors

[snowball]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Except for as mentioned before, Sven spiral began way before Burke joined. Burke joined the summer after the season Sven got sent down to the minors for the entire back half of the season following his miracle 5 game stint the year before. Burke's comment were simply repeats of what even Feaster and Hartley were already saying about him.

Sven fan boys are often Burke haters as well, and love to pretend that Sven's down fall all started when Burke arrived and called him out. I wouldn't buy it even if the timing worked out, but given the timing actually doesn't work out at all, its simply an argument of convenience. I like X, I don't like Y, therefore I'm going to convince myself Y hurt X.

I think you're guilty of remembering only the negative cuz he wasn't in the minors for the entire back half of that season. After the trade deadline, he was brought back up and ended up with 9 points in his final 7 games. Things were looking up. Then Burke happened.

[Vinny01]

Put me in the camp that has no regard for Sven anymore. I hope if he ever makes it back to the dome he gets booed by the crowd. Yes the Flames are to blame for this whole situation but Sven owns most of this himself

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by Cflames_12.5

That look suits him. He'll fit right in with a bunch of whining babies. Quitter colors

Lol, while I wouldn't go that far it's not like I was attached to the guy in a Flames jersey...he was a prospect that didn't work out not Regehr, Iginla, Fleury.