Conservatives want new law creating life sentences with no parole

[Canuck-Hater]

Who defines what a heinous crime is? We're screwed if its as vague as the government's definition of terrorist.

[octothorp]

If this is intended as a deterrent, I'd say they don't really understand the mindset of criminals at all. If it's intended to keep potential re-offenders off the streets, improvements to the parole system would do far more than a blanket category like this.

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by octothorp

If this is intended as a deterrent, I'd say they don't really understand the mindset of criminals at all. If it's intended to keep potential re-offenders off the streets, improvements to the parole system would do far more than a blanket category like this.

I agree. I do not understand where people are released from prison that are judged to be a "high risk to reoffend". Perhaps the original sentence time should include, "and/or is judged to be a "low risk to reoffend". I'm referring to sex and dangerous offenders in particular.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

The only people who are against life sentences with no parole, are people with Criminal Minds that can see themselves committing a serious crime.

Or people that you know, believe in actual rehabilitation.

[polak]

Yeah the more I think about it, the more I'm against this.

I've voted Conservative in every election since I've turned 18. I won't be doing that again. ####ing joke that panders to the exact demographic I hate. Too bad I'll be throwing away my vote since I live in Harpers riding.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by ken0042

As much as I'd like to see guys like Bernardo and Olson locked away forever, you make an excellent point. If you take somebody who is sentenced to spend life in maximum security, what incentive does that person have to not go around assaulting or even killing guards?

I don't think a guy like Bernardo can even if he wanted too. I think he is permanent 23 hour lockdown in solitary.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by polak

Yeah the more I think about it, the more I'm against this.

I've voted Conservative in every election since I've turned 18. I won't be doing that again. ####ing joke that panders to the exact demographic I hate. Too bad I'll be throwing away my vote since I live in Harpers riding.

Really not trying to pick on you Polak, but a week ago you posted this:

Originally Posted by polak

I don't know. To me, when it comes to MURDER, "justice" is quite a valid reason to keep someone locked up for the rest of their lives.

If you've had that much of a change of heart, more power to you. Just odd you went from advocating keeping murderers in prison for the rest of their life to hating the demographic that would be appeased by a law that saw murderers in prison for the rest of the lives in a week.

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by polak

Yeah the more I think about it, the more I'm against this.

I've voted Conservative in every election since I've turned 18. I won't be doing that again. ####ing joke that panders to the exact demographic I hate. Too bad I'll be throwing away my vote since I live in Harpers riding.

Weren't your views in the Vincent Li thread pretty similar to wanting people locked up for life in certain situations?

[polak]

My main problems with this are:

- The potential for abuse of this law due to the lack of specificity.
- On the surface it just looks to be pandering to the far right "tough on crime", God loving types.

On top of that, I don't mind locking up someone for life but with the chance for Parole eventually. If we're not even giving them the chance of parole then kill them. I mean what's the point?

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Why not define 'dangerous offenders' more clearly if legislation already exists to keep savages behind bars indefinitely?

Why make a new (unnecessary) law that makes Canadians feel that the PC's are tough on crime in an electio....ooooohhhhhhhh

[edslunch]

I thought Harper and company were supposed to be Christian, you know, forgiving and all. Turns out they are Old Testament biblical - vengeance for all!

[-TC-]

I'd like to see capital punishment instituted...why waste money incarcerating certain types of offenders. bullets are cheap. problem solved.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by -TC-

I'd like to see capital punishment instituted...why waste money incarcerating certain types of offenders. bullets are cheap. problem solved.

It's not like there have been any cases where the prosecution had it wrong and the person found guilty was eventually exonerated... oh, wait.

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by -TC-

I'd like to see capital punishment instituted...why waste money incarcerating certain types of offenders. bullets are cheap. problem solved.

Because I'd like to think that the public of Canada has higher standards than that. Killing humans is (outside of military and certain police contexts) unacceptable.

I'll take a more civilized society over one that solves problems through crosshairs.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Or people that you know, believe in actual rehabilitation.

Some people just can't be rehabilitated. Every year you read stories about some child molester or paedophile who gets released and then a couple months later he's arrested on the exact same charge. Or the guy who has 20+ drunk driving offences. Or the manipulative psychopath who beats every woman he dates. Spending more money on rehab for those guys isn't going to do anything except waste money on conditions that cannot be fixed.

TBH I'm surprised so many people are against this. While some clarification is needed, this is long overdue. Someone who commits murder, is convicted, only to be out on parole 12 years later and commits murder again, that's a travesty and failure of the justice system. The child molester who raped a bunch of kids, only to be let out early for ''good behaviour'' and is then arrested a couple months later committing the same act? That's a failure and travesty as well. Those people can't be rehabilitated no matter how much resources you toss at them. But every once in a while one of them makes parole and commits those acts again and the public outcry is the same; how did this guy get out and why? Even once is too many. That needs to be stopped. I hope this gets passed. For way to long our justice system has been too lax on criminals like this.

[Tinordi]

Meanwhile:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sex-...tawa-1.2979196

The federal government is cutting funds for a program designed to prevent the most dangerous, high-risk sex offenders from repeating their crimes, just as its own five-year study has found the program dramatically improves public safety and saves money.

The 18 Circles of Support and Accountability (COSA) programs across the country now have about 700 trained volunteers who help safely reintegrate offenders from prison back into the community.

Most sites are now preparing to close after funding from the Correctional Service of Canada ends March 31.

What a GD freakin joke this government is and the mouth breathing horde that supports this type of decision making.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

TBH I'm surprised so many people are against this. While some clarification is needed, this is long overdue. Someone who commits murder, is convicted, only to be out on parole 12 years later and commits murder again, that's a travesty and failure of the justice system. The child molester who raped a bunch of kids, only to be let out early for ''good behaviour'' and is then arrested a couple months later committing the same act? That's a failure and travesty as well. Those people can't be rehabilitated no matter how much resources you toss at them. But every once in a while one of them makes parole and commits those acts again and the public outcry is the same; how did this guy get out and why? Even once is too many. That needs to be stopped. I hope this gets passed. For way to long our justice system has been too lax on criminals like this.

They need to reoffend though. It's how the system works. You can't hold someone forever just because they committed a violent crime. If someone has shown they are rehabilitated then there should be the possibility for some sort of parole, or again, what is the point? Just kill them.

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Meanwhile:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sex-...tawa-1.2979196
What a GD freakin joke this government is and the mouth breathing horde that supports this type of decision making.

Haha it's funny cause they probably plan on using this money to fund this new legislation. Old programs don't get votes. They need to be new.

God baby boomers need to die already. I'm confident that will fix everything

[nik-]

Originally Posted by -TC-

I'd like to see capital punishment instituted...why waste money incarcerating certain types of offenders. bullets are cheap. problem solved.

Because it costs more money in appeals process in death penalty cases than it costs to imprison someone. But since your comment was an obvious bait post, I guess I just fed the machine.

[FanIn80]

MOD EDIT: Your post doesn't add anything to the discussion at all.

[rubecube]

nm