[Trade] Flames trade Baertschi to VAN for a 2015 2nd round pick (Baertschi requested trade)

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Poe969

so you're saying it was a terrible draft?

No, I'm not. I'm guessing a lot of these players will start appearing on NHL rosters soon, as will Baertschi.

FWIW, so far the best forwards selected after Sven were probably Palat (7th round), Kucherov (2nd round) and Gaudreau (4th round). To call the other 200 players "busts" is premature. Granlund hasn't established himself either and he's from the same draft class.

[Mattman]

Originally Posted by Dajazz

This.

Further, he's also been seen by a total of four GM's: Sutter, Feaster, Burke and now Treliving.

Three GM's:
2010-2013 Jay Feaster
2013-2014 Brian Burke
2014- 2015 Brad Treliving

Feaster was the one who drafted Baertschi in 2011

[Poe969]

Ok so the first round was pretty meh. Non of the players drafted after Sven in the first round seem to be much of anything at this point and I'm sure most GM's would trade that pick for a second this year.

[Geeoff]

If I'm playing against Sven, I'm chirping constantly.

[FlamesAddiction]

I put him up against Wolf every time we play against him. Not just for the punishment, but I want to hear some German cursing. I bet it's hilarious.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Thorndike would be giddy reading through this thread. Baertschi is a great example of Thorndike's Halo Effect. Those who became invested in him early on, and did not practice any sort of detachment, have elevated him to a level he cannot maintain. When he was surrounded by a collective of ugly prospects he stood out as being a gem, a true beauty for all to behold, and it established an immediate perception adopted by many. The support from management and media further enforced this perception. Because of this enhanced perception, and the lack of quality comparables, it made Baertschi that shining light, making him less likely to be held accountable for his performance on off ice behaviors. Sadly, as better prospects filtered into the system Baertschi wasn't capable of maintaining his lofty status as the beauty in the group. Those who did not invest themselves in Baertschi were quick to see this. Those who were invested struggled with altering their established perception and seeing the situation for what it was. Even after the unceremonious departure of the player there are still those that refuse to acknowledge the failings of the player and instead attempt to lay the blame elsewhere. The one thing I can really take away from the Baertschi era is that Feaster was very effective in selling his product and establishing a narrative early on which became an established perception for many fans.

[FlamesAddiction]

I find it kind of telling that outside of Calgary, this trade barely created any discussion. It's not like we traded the next Stamkos. Baertschi seems to be regarded as a project at this point by pretty much everyone. Even most Vancouver fans while favourable of the trade, seem to be acknowledging that it is anything but a sure thing. Their management is obviously doing everything they can to pump him up (as they should), but just the fact that they need to says a lot about him.

Don't get me wrong, I am a little uneasy about the potential for it to backfire. Even though put the chances of Baertschi being an effective NHL player at less than 50%, this one would hurt if it backfires.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I find it kind of telling that outside of Calgary, this trade barely created any discussion. It's not like we traded the next Stamkos. Baertschi seems to be regarded as a project at this point by pretty much everyone. Even most Vancouver fans while favourable of the trade, seem to be acknowledging that it is anything but a sure thing. Their management is obviously doing everything they can to pump him up (as they should), but just the fact that they need to says a lot about him.

Don't get me wrong, I am a little uneasy about the potential for it to backfire. Even though put the chances of Baertschi being an effective NHL player at less than 50%, this one would hurt if it backfires.

Why do you think that? It was the most talked about trade on HF during trade deadline day.

FWIW, Benning was high on Baertchi due to his time in the WHL. I'm assuming that Benning has ignored the regression ever since and is hoping Baertchi can return to the player who lit up the WHL.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

It really doesn't matter what Sven does or doesn't do, he's gone. What matters is how successful that 2nd round pick is. If we get a good player, then who cares if Sven is successful himself, even with Vancouver? We are not talking about Brett Hull here, we're talking about a guy who might turn out to be a poor man's Jiri Hudler if all the stars align.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Why do you think that? It was the most talked about trade on HF during trade deadline day.

FWIW, Benning was high on Baertchi due to his time in the WHL. I'm assuming that Benning has ignored the regression ever since and is hoping Baertchi can return to the player who lit up the WHL.

Yes HF, where potential/draft position is everything and players are automatically washed up once they're 29 years old. I read that site and I swear the average age of the users is around 15.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Why do you think that? It was the most talked about trade on HF during trade deadline day.

FWIW, Benning was high on Baertchi due to his time in the WHL. I'm assuming that Benning has ignored the regression ever since and is hoping Baertchi can return to the player who lit up the WHL.

Yeah, and it was mostly Flames fans carrying the conversation with a few trolls from other fanbases. HF is basically ground zero for people that like to troll Flames fans.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Yeah, and it was mostly Flames fans carrying the conversation with a few trolls from other fanbases. HF is basically ground zero for people that like to troll Flames fans.

Agreed HF is filled with with 15 year old Trolls, just like CP is filled with homers. You get different discussions which is why I occasionally peruse HF. But HF doesn't have many Flames posters compared to other fanbases, so it's false that Flames fans caused the Baertchi thread to be the most viewed thread of the day.

Many fans of other teams were surprised that the Flames 'gave up' on Baertchi after being deemed our saviour all over HF just a couple seasons ago.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

I'm assuming that Benning has ignored the regression ever since and is hoping Baertchi can return to the player who lit up the WHL.

Now that he is with the Canucks I too hope he returns to a level where he can light up the WHL.

[HelloHockeyFans]

It'll be intriguing to watch the next chapter for Baertschi in Vancouver. Benning's come out already and said he'll be in the Top 6 next season, but Desjardins has shown this season that he won't be gifting any Top 6 roles to anyone (see Kassian). Even a good young player in Horvat, who has looked great this season is spending his time on the 4th line playing sheltered minutes.

Can Baertschi supplant Vrbata, Burrows, Higgins, Matthias? What happens if he's asked to play on a non-scoring line?

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

It really doesn't matter what Sven does or doesn't do, he's gone. What matters is how successful that 2nd round pick is. If we get a good player, then who cares if Sven is successful himself, even with Vancouver? We are not talking about Brett Hull here, we're talking about a guy who might turn out to be a poor man's Jiri Hudler if all the stars align.

Of course it matters what Sven does or doesn't do. Some of us think the Flames gave up on him too early. If he becomes a successful skilled NHL player and is in Vancouvers lineup for 15 years, then the Flames lose.

Obviously from the poll and the posts in this thread most don't think he will amount to anything and the Flames won this trade already. I'm not so sure.

Time will tell.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Yeah, and it was mostly Flames fans carrying the conversation with a few trolls from other fanbases. HF is basically ground zero for people that like to troll Flames fans.

It is largely populated by Oiler and Canuck fans, so that is to be expected.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

Of course it matters what Sven does or doesn't do. Some of us think the Flames gave up on him too early. If he becomes a successful skilled NHL player and is in Vancouvers lineup for 15 years, then the Flames lose.

Obviously from the poll and the posts in this thread most don't think he will amount to anything and the Flames won this trade already. I'm not so sure.

Time will tell.

We didn't give up on him though. He cried and threatened to take his ball home unless traded. There was no other option and it doesn't matter what led to that point. That was the situation and it had to be dealt with.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

We didn't give up on him though. He cried and threatened to take his ball home unless traded. There was no other option and it doesn't matter what led to that point. That was the situation and it had to be dealt with.

In fairness, he informed the team he would not re-sign (as is his right), after he felt the org had given up on him.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

In fairness, he informed the team he would not re-sign (as is his right), after he felt the org had given up on him.

Don't say that. That doesn't fit the jilted fan's narrative

[GioforPM]

Two guys basically force a trade, one because he's a UFA who won't re-sign and one who will be an RFA and won't re-sign. Both have had lots of detractors and supporters here. One is a long time Flame, who's been a leader on the team and has scored a lot of goals for the Flames, so like him or not, the departure has a big impact on the actual team, by creating a hole that must be filled. The other played around 50 games, played a handful this year without any goals or defensive play, and wasn't on the roster at the time of the trade, nor was he going to be any time soon.

Which trade topic gets less than 500 posts and which one breaks CP? I find that interesting and indicative of New Era's take.