I hope the Panthers make the playoffs. Bravo Willie
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Healy was basically just ripping on the Panthers for making moves to bolster their run this year instead of looking towards the future.
so doing his job? Healy is a tool but the Panthers are not being very smart here...they get away with it because they are in Florida. Flames are in a better position and if they made that deal for Jagr they would be getting ripped to shreds by fans and media
so doing his job? Healy is a tool but the Panthers are not being very smart here...they get away with it because they are in Florida. Flames are in a better position and if they made that deal for Jagr they would be getting ripped to shreds by fans and media
The Flames are in a totally different position. They are (mostly) filling their building and making money.
The Panthers are bleeding red ink and desperately need a playoff appearance to win back some fans. Since they have been rebuilding for years and have a great stock of young talent, they can afford to give up some draft picks for that purpose. I don't blame them a bit.
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The Flames are in a totally different position. They are (mostly) filling their building and making money.
The Panthers are bleeding red ink and desperately need a playoff appearance to win back some fans. Since they have been rebuilding for years and have a great stock of young talent, they can afford to give up some draft picks for that purpose. I don't blame them a bit.
low chance at the playoffs
snowballs chance in hell at a cup
did you see Jagr's first game? half empty arena as always
Having good young players doesn't mean its a good idea to waste draft picks on a 43 year old rental when you are in 9th
At the moment, they're two points back of a Boston team that has been stumbling lately. The odds are against them, but they have a chance, which is more than they have had for years.
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snowballs chance in hell at a cup
Which is more or less irrelevant. They don't need to win the Cup, they just need to remind South Floridians that they still exist.
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did you see Jagr's first game? half empty arena as always
That's exactly the problem. It will take a playoff appearance to start filling those empty seats. Florida is notorious for its fair-weather sports fans. Until the Panthers get into the playoffs, they won't even be on the radar in the local media.
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At this point, moving up into 8th could make the difference between keeping the team in Florida and having it sold and relocated. From a hockey standpoint it's foolish. From a business standpoint, it may be their last chance to save their investment. The marginal value of moving up one place in the standings is enormous.
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At the moment, they're two points back of a Boston team that has been stumbling lately. The odds are against them, but they have a chance, which is more than they have had for years.
Which is more or less irrelevant. They don't need to win the Cup, they just need to remind South Floridians that they still exist.
That's exactly the problem. It will take a playoff appearance to start filling those empty seats. Florida is notorious for its fair-weather sports fans. Until the Panthers get into the playoffs, they won't even be on the radar in the local media.
At this point, moving up into 8th could make the difference between keeping the team in Florida and having it sold and relocated. From a hockey standpoint it's foolish. From a business standpoint, it may be their last chance to save their investment. The marginal value of moving up one place in the standings is enormous.
we are gonna have to agree to disagree, nobody cares about hockey down there and Jagr or a few playoff games is not going to change that. They are doing better than they have in a long time this season with good young players and have record low attendance.
As a hockey trade its an obvious bad move I don't even feel like it needs debate...in a couple months they won't have Jagr or the picks
1) They aren't going anywhere. They are locked into a contract for at least 10 years, and the economics of the deal are such that even if the team loses money, the owners make money on BB&T Center events, of which there are plenty.
2) Ownership has been adamant about building a contending team as quickly as possible. Their actions (or at least Tallon's) back up this statement, by signing several key veterans to aid the development of the young talent (of which there is an abundance in Florida), as well as picking up Luongo's contract for the long haul. All of this has paid off so far, so it would only make sense to stick with that plan and try and make the playoffs.
3) Jagr has already been a positive influence in directing the offense and coaching the younger forwards like Barkov and especially Huberdeau. If you had watched either game on the weekend you would see him communicating constantly with his line mates/teammates on the bench. The offense has immediately scored more goals with him in the lineup, and the Powerplay (which was 28th) has been immensely better with him added to the mix. He just tied Phil Esposito for all time goals and has played countless games in the NHL and playoffs over many years. If that's not worth at least a 2nd round pick and a 3rd which they acquired for an expiring UFA that they had no interest in resigning, then I'm not sure what is.
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we are gonna have to agree to disagree, nobody cares about hockey down there and Jagr or a few playoff games is not going to change that.
Probably not. But if they do nothing, they certainly won't change it. The Panthers' management have the job of trying to make the best of a bad situation, and that means they have to try something. Playing it safe would just guarantee failure.
The lost picks literally mean nothing to them, because by the time those picks pan out (or bust), the team is likely to be under new management, with a new owner, in a new city. There have already been reports that ownership is trying to get out of its agreement with Broward County so the team can be relocated, and Doug Cifu has called the franchise ‘unsustainable’. Basically, they're making a Hail Mary pass with seconds left on the clock.
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I actually like Willie Mitchell, even since he was a Canuck.... but sounds kind of weird for him to get so aggressive and personal... lots of people in the media say stupid crap, gets weird when it gets crosses the line and player/coach gets personal with the media sometimes. Like someone said above, you'd never see Iginla or Gio do it.....
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1) They aren't going anywhere. They are locked into a contract for at least 10 years, and the economics of the deal are such that even if the team loses money, the owners make money on BB&T Center events, of which there are plenty.
2) Ownership has been adamant about building a contending team as quickly as possible. Their actions (or at least Tallon's) back up this statement, by signing several key veterans to aid the development of the young talent (of which there is an abundance in Florida), as well as picking up Luongo's contract for the long haul. All of this has paid off so far, so it would only make sense to stick with that plan and try and make the playoffs.
3) Jagr has already been a positive influence in directing the offense and coaching the younger forwards like Barkov and especially Huberdeau. If you had watched either game on the weekend you would see him communicating constantly with his line mates/teammates on the bench. The offense has immediately scored more goals with him in the lineup, and the Powerplay (which was 28th) has been immensely better with him added to the mix. He just tied Phil Esposito for all time goals and has played countless games in the NHL and playoffs over many years. If that's not worth at least a 2nd round pick and a 3rd which they acquired for an expiring UFA that they had no interest in resigning, then I'm not sure what is.
it remains to be seen what effect Jagr has on the Panthers, if they miss the playoffs there is no way it was worth a 2nd and 3rd to have him on the team for 20 games
Good. Healy is an arrogant blowhard with a grating personality, limited insight, and an underserved sense of accomplishment. In my opinion, and that of many others I'm sure, he is the worst hockey broadcaster in the business. How he musters the nerve to be so smugly critical of seemingly every team, player, and hockey operations employee when he has had such a marginal playing and broadcasting career is beyond me. Maybe he's going for the quasi-endearing Don Cherry know-it-all larger than life persona but it's has failed miserably. If there were a Glenn Healy autobiography it would be called "Standing on the Shoulders of Giants and Pretending to be Tall". I can't imagine his presence on a broadcast does anything but repel viewers no matter what capacity he appears in.
So I guess what I'm saying is I don't really care for him.
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1) They aren't going anywhere. They are locked into a contract for at least 10 years, and the economics of the deal are such that even if the team loses money, the owners make money on BB&T Center events, of which there are plenty.
Actually, the owners have revealed that they are losing money on the arena overall, because the cost of running the hockey team is eating up all the profits from other events and then some. Their business plan just didn't allow for a $51 million salary floor. And now, according to multiple reports I have seen, they are negotiating to get out of that contract, and Broward County politicians are seriously looking at the possibility.
If they can get into the playoffs and put some bums back on the seats, this will help to put the overall business back in the black and take the immediate pressure off. But the immediate pressure is real enough.
The rest of what you say, I agree with 100%.
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Actually, the owners have revealed that they are losing money on the arena overall, because the cost of running the hockey team is eating up all the profits from other events and then some. Their business plan just didn't allow for a $51 million salary floor. And now, according to multiple reports I have seen, they are negotiating to get out of that contract, and Broward County politicians are seriously looking at the possibility.
If they can get into the playoffs and put some bums back on the seats, this will help to put the overall business back in the black and take the immediate pressure off. But the immediate pressure is real enough.
The rest of what you say, I agree with 100%.
Interesting. I hadn't heard they were actually still losing money. Not that I don't believe you, but source?
The Broward County stuff was posturing in order to get attention in the media that the team is in jeopardy, and to possibly extract some funds from the taxpayers to help support the team while they were building it. It was brushed off as a bluff at the time, but now I'm not so sure.
I agree about getting fans in the seats though. Tampa's been able to do it. South Florida isn't much different in terms of people and attitude towards sports. The problem has been almost 20 years of ineptitude. They need a few years in a row of playoff rounds, not just a one off like they had a couple years back, but sustained success. That's the only thing that will bring fans back. You have to start with this year and do everything you can to make it, especially when you're only a couple points out with 20some games to go.
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Interesting. I hadn't heard they were actually still losing money. Not that I don't believe you, but source?
Unfortunately I didn't bookmark it at the time, and it has dropped off the back end of my history file. I'll make a note to PM you if I find the report again.
Sorry I can't do better at the moment.
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did you see Jagr's first game? half empty arena as always
Having good young players doesn't mean its a good idea to waste draft picks on a 43 year old rental when you are in 9th
2 points out, a better last 10 record than the team ahead of you. Rather tell your fan base you give up at trade deadline despite being only 2 points out?
If they make the playoffs it is probably worth it for the Panthers this year.
edit - and as others have mentioned, the mentorship of Jagr on the young players could be a huge boost as well.
Why does the Toronto market like Healy? I get that he played for them for a bit but it really sucks that fans from the rest of the country have to put up with this clown. Every time he opens his mouth it's like fingernails on a chalk board.
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