[Trade] Flames trade Baertschi to VAN for a 2015 2nd round pick (Baertschi requested trade)

[Knut]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Don't really like it.

Less about the value, more about it being done with the Canucks.
I think Sven has a decent chance of breaking out, the second is a second, with what, a 20% chance of producing a NHL player?

Should have just let Sven take himself to Europe or Russia.

So instead of getting a 20% chance of an impact NHLer you would rather him just leave ?

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Don't really like it.

Less about the value, more about it being done with the Canucks.
I think Sven has a decent chance of breaking out, the second is a second, with what, a 20% chance of producing a NHL player?

Should have just let Sven take himself to Europe or Russia.

The flames were not going to re-sign him. They had to trade him. In light of the Treliving comments about the second being by far the best offer, would you have taken one of the much worse offers?

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Sven's are pretty decent numbers for a 21/22 year old, and about the same as Poirier who everyone is hyped about.

Right.
And if Poirier shows no progression over 2 more years, that enthusiasm will wane also.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Don't really like it.

Less about the value, more about it being done with the Canucks.
I think Sven has a decent chance of breaking out, the second is a second, with what, a 20% chance of producing a NHL player?

Should have just let Sven take himself to Europe or Russia.

This is why fans aren't NHL GMs.

[Barca]

Sven is going to play for his junior coach (who he likes) and a cup contending team in the Utica Comets, it is going to be good for his development as he's going to have lots of ice time.

A second for a former 13th overall with upside from a rival is a great deal considering what Boston paid for Connolly.

Apparently JB and co. weighed in what they could potentially get in the 2nd round vs Baertchi and they believed there wasn't a player that was better in their list.

I noticed he's more of a playmaker than a scorer on some of the videos i've seen so maybe a future set up man for Virtanen.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Johnny this season started out a lot like Sven had been playing for the Flames the season before and when he got benched. He looked out of place, not very good, and it appeared maybe he wasn't ready but after that benching he came back played great and forced management's hand to keep him full time in the lineup. Sven never did that. When he got benched he kind of pouted and when he got back into the lineup he made it easy for Hartley to bench him again. You could just see that this wasn't a marriage that was going to end happily ever after as long as Hartley is the head coach and if the choice is Baertschi or Hartley I'm going with the coach. I wish things could have worked out better but it didn't and the bright side is that he's going to get another opportunity.

I wonder how much their own personalities affects each player's respective ability to cope with new challenges? It was impressive to see how Gaudreau responded, but maybe it was already easier for him because of effectively he avoids internalising difficulties.

Gaudreau just goes and quietly does his thing. When he is wildly successful, well, he just goes and does his thing.

I was a little concerned about how personally affected Baertschi occasionally presented himself in the media following situations in which he was challenged. Perhaps the lesson learned here is that if one is going to wear his heart on his sleeve like Sven does, he can't ever let it consume him. Perhaps Baertschi's self-induced urgency to be better actually interfered with his ability to do so. It certainly looked like this from time to time on the ice when he played.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Don't really like it.

Less about the value, more about it being done with the Canucks.
I think Sven has a decent chance of breaking out, the second is a second, with what, a 20% chance of producing a NHL player?

Should have just let Sven take himself to Europe or Russia.

I'll take 20% over 0%. Sven wasn't going to do anything here being the entitled princess that he is. Seriously who does he think he is? Quite the ego for a player who hasn't done anything of note since junior.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

The fact that they were willing to trade him to a divisional rival pretty much shows how much faith they have in Baertschi being able to be an NHL player let alone reach his potential.

Trojan Horse of ineptitude?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Hesla

So instead of getting a 20% chance of an impact NHLer you would rather him just leave ?

Isn't it something like a 20% chance of playing a 100 games in the NHL. Not quite impact players.

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

The flames were not going to re-sign him. They had to trade him. In light of the Treliving comments about the second being by far the best offer, would you have taken one of the much worse offers?

I could be wrong. But we would have still retained his NHL rights correct? If so, see if he can figure it out in Europe.Or could ha have held out and signed with someone else?

I just don't like sending upside to the Canucks. I'd guess Sven has a better chance of becoming a player than the second.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The RGI clearly indicated that there was absolutely no room on the Flames for Baertschi for the Next 3 years... Hudler, Gaudreau, Raymond, Granlund all ahead of him for one of the 3 non-contact forward spots.

Make fun of the RGI if you want to be foolish, but in some form all NHL GMs follow it closely (except Feaster and the bunch in Edmonton) and their breaking of the RGI rule proved its validity.

What's the RGI?

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I'd guess Sven has a better chance of becoming a player than the second.

both the Flames 2nd rounders from Svens draft year have a better chance of becoming a player than Sven. And don't get me started on the 4th rounder ...

they got a 2nd in a deep draft for him. That's a nice asset to have (either make the pick or combine with other picks to trade up) and A LOT better than keeping him and seeing his value diminish even further.

[foshizzle11]

It is interesting hearing these things after he was traded away. I know that he had issues potentially with his dad meddling and he expecting things that he hasn't earned. I always liked Sven but I think it is best for him to play elsewhere. I am just annoyed it is with the Canucks, I want to wish him the best but it is hard for me to do that now that he will be playing there.

Who knows, maybe he doesn't get out of the AHL ever. A 2nd is a good pick for Sven at this point. I think Treliving did alright considering the trade demands.

The future is looking bright for the flames and this year's draft is going to be a good one.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Barca

Sven is going to play for his junior coach (who he likes) and a cup contending team in the Utica Comets, it is going to be good for his development as he's going to have lots of ice time.

A second for a former 13th overall with upside from a rival is a great deal considering what Boston paid for Connolly.

Apparently JB and co. weighed in what they could potentially get in the 2nd round vs Baertchi and they believed there wasn't a player that was better in their list.

I noticed he's more of a playmaker than a scorer on some of the videos i've seen so maybe a future set up man for Virtanen.

that's nice but with Sven coming to the end of his contract, and the end of his waiver protection, if the Canucks send him to the farm to finish the season, with his current attitude about playing on the farm, I'm better there's a better then 50% chance that Sven takes his talents over seas next year.

the Canucks are going to be forced to see if he's an NHL player over the last quarter of the season.

This is a boom or bust trade for the Canucks, development time on the farm is probably not an option.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I'd guess Sven has a better chance of becoming a player than the second.

How do you figure? Without even being able to offer a guess as to who that second round pick is (it might even end up in a trade package for something else) how can you say one way or the other?

I would say that a second round pick provides the Flames more options and better flexibility given Baertschi's age and waiver status. And that is not even factoring into consideration his trade request and intent to not sign his next QO.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by flameswin

What's the RGI?

It's like advanced stats x 1000.

[FBI]

Initial reaction: HATED it. Didn't feel like he was given enough opportunity.

Now with recent comments about requesting trade etc, I am just kinda sad about the whole situation and feel like it should have been handled better by all parties all around. Still pissed at the way Burke handled things with Sven when he took over.

So there goes the (B) in my name, now to be replaced by Bennett who I am super excited about.

Hope my letters aren't a jinx to the players..

[goaliemaskguy]

Originally Posted by polak

I feel bad for all the Baertschi jersey owners out there. People really ate up the hype.

Count me as one of those with yet another obsolete jersey. That is the only reason why I dislike the trade though. Sven was no longer in the team's plans and was bypassed on the organizational depth chart.

If he does become successful for Vancouver, that doesn't mean he would have ever been successful for the Flames.

Adding a second round draft choice for a reportedly disgruntled asset who lacked compete is a win in my books.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Since when?

Love Poirier but he's not close to his NHL number yet

And Sven was close?

[sureLoss]

@KristenOdlandCH: Just got off the phone w/Baertschi who did not have one negative thing to say about #Flames organization. Thanked fans for supporting him.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Heck no.

2nd in '15 > Petry.

No more Oiler stink.

2nd > Petry > Sven

Oiler or no, Petry could play NHL minutes for the Flames, whereas Sven can't or won't. But I'd rather have the pick.