[News] Flames claim David Schlemko off waivers. Wotherspoon sent down. - Page 7 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Antithesis · 03-01-2015, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rerun

If Toronto was the first to claim him and he was claimed immediately after being put on waivers.... its my mistake.

It has nothing to do with who claimed the guy first. It has everything to do with where teams are in the standings (reverse standings). Players are on waivers for a set amount of time.

The Flames could have put a claim on him literally one second after he hit the waiver wire and it wouldn't have mattered.

dammage79 · 03-01-2015, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Are there? Serious question, are we running out of contract room? Otherwise, don't think we have close to too many cooks in the kitchen, this organization lacks Defensive depth and lacks enough top 4 talent. Fair enough eventually we will have to weed out the gluten of 5-7 D-men we have and make some choices, but is there really urgency to do this prior to the offseason?

I don't know that would want two D-men sitting cold for periods of time in between games. Diaz is a case of why not to do that. Played like poo when he was used sparingly. But since he's found regular minutes, he's become a suitable player.

Just for the 6/7 spots alone you'd have Smid (eventually), Schlemko, Engelland, Diaz and hypotheical newcomer (I'll say Coburn because he's the buzz right now). That's 5 guys for two spots. I can see four but even then you really only want three to rotate through the 6/7 spots. with a two way guy like Potter to come up unabated in a pinch. Mind you, an extra one in the press box so you don't abuse the 4 call up rule too fast is a good thing too.

Bah, My point is, 5 is too many players to sit and rotate around.

combustiblefuel · 03-01-2015, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

They needed another body for depth and they needed to do it before tomorrow. BT is hedging his bets here, there's still a chance he'll push for someone better but if that doesn't work out, at least he got Schlemko. Sutter would have killed for a Schlemko in 2004 when he was forced to play Brennan Evans in the playoffs. You can never have enough defensive depth going into a playoff drive.

I thought of this too. Having watch what happened to Colorado when the lost Barrie to injury in the first round their d fell apart. They didn't have the best depth on the back end.

Da_Chief · 03-01-2015, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rerun

If Toronto was the first to claim him and he was claimed immediately after being put on waivers.... its my mistake.

Oh Boy. That's not how that works.

gartman · 03-01-2015, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CroFlames

With all the trades and signings the last week or so, the awkwardness of TDL Day on TSN will be compounded lol.

It's funny how they hype it so damn much, then all they do is recap each trade 47 times.

While I do agree with you, for some reason I will still watch it knowing full well what it will be

Finger Cookin · 03-01-2015, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

He also seems to be a 12 way defender. That's a lot of ways.

Mike F · 03-01-2015, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Sounds like the near-term approach is to spread the minutes. So in that case he can help, and probably more than a guy like Potter. If you can put him out there 12/13 minutes that's 4 minutes more than Potter just skated.

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Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

They needed another body for depth and they needed to do it before tomorrow. BT is hedging his bets here....

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

No risk in trying.

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

Yup like Fire of Phoenix says, this is Treliving hedging his bets.

It's not really a hedge, because it's not a solution to anything, IMO

If his highest upside is another Engelland, as his waiver status suggests, I can't see the Flames making the Playoffs with either Schlemko or Potter playing regularly.

If Treliving is serious about giving this team a chance at the playoffs, then solve the problem. If he's keeping his eyes firmly on the future, then allow a guy like Wotherspoon the chance to cut his teeth in the NHL down the stretch. But don't put a band aid on a gaping wound and pretend that you've accomplished something.

Hockeyguy15 · 03-01-2015, 08:54 PM

Kris Russell was on waivers and no one took him, I'm willing to hold off judgement for a bit on Schlemko.

DoubleF · 03-01-2015, 08:59 PM

If he's nearly as useful as Russell, this would be an amazing acquire.

High hopes.

Also noticed he's undrafted. Status wise, perhaps he'll fit right in.

Not familiar with his style, but it looks like he's closer to a Russell than a Smid/Eggs from the vids posted earlier in the thread. Could be exciting.

Galakanokis · 03-01-2015, 09:00 PM

I thought he looked good early in the season and was surprised he was on waivers. Wanted Calgary to pick him up on the first go round. He's an NHL body and an upgrade on some of the D men we have now. It's a good move.

FurnaceFace · 03-01-2015, 09:35 PM

So what I get from this thread our usual whine that a prospect isn't given the chance to play a handful of minutes for a couple of games instead of letting them continue to develop. Basically what we laugh at those guys up north and other places about when they continue to rush guys. Also it appears ... edit .. skip that last part, it's not worth it, and will just get someone pissed off.

Husky · 03-01-2015, 09:42 PM

Pretty sure he was Russell d partner for medhat at some point.

FlamesAddiction · 03-01-2015, 09:47 PM

It's just a stop-gap measure until Wotherspoon is ready.

We need to be patient with our defense prospects. Some people forget that Giordano spent 139 games in the AHL before graduating to the NHL, and now he is a Norris candidate. Wotherspoon only has 94 AHL games and has already played more NHL games than Giordano did when he was the same age.

He is coming along fine and will get his chance to eventually stick.

DoubleF · 03-01-2015, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It's just a stop-gap measure until Wotherspoon is ready.

We need to be patient with our defense prospects. Some people forget that Giordano spent 139 games in the AHL before graduating to the NHL, and now he is a Norris candidate. Wotherspoon only has 94 AHL games and has already played more NHL games than Giordano did when he was the same age.

He is coming along fine and will get his chance to eventually stick.

Just wondering where the KHL games factor in, but absolutely agree with you.

BACKCHECK!!! · 03-01-2015, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rerun

If Toronto was the first to claim him and he was claimed immediately after being put on waivers.... its my mistake.

It has been pointed out already that Toronto has waiver priority over Calgary (because Toronto sucks), which means they get priority if both teams claim a guy.

But I'd like to further point out that this actually means that Calgary very well could have claimed Tom, they just ended up not getting him.

Considering they claimed another waiver defenceman the same day, it's actually not that far-fetched.

So you're not only wrong about how it works, but they may have actually put in a claim for the player you're mad about them not putting in a claim for.

saillias · 03-01-2015, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Sutter would have killed for a Schlemko in 2004 when he was forced to play Brennan Evans in the playoffs. You can never have enough defensive depth going into a playoff drive.

Or he could've just stopped being a jackass and signed Phaneuf to his ELC... Warrener on the Fan last week mentioned this, how the guys in the room knew he could play and wished he was there, but you've got Sutter prattling about how you can't bring a rookie into a playoff run.

BACKCHECK!!! · 03-01-2015, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by saillias

Or he could've just stopped being a jackass and signed Phaneuf to his ELC... Warrener on the Fan last week mentioned this, how the guys in the room knew he could play and wished he was there, but you've got Sutter prattling about how you can't bring a rookie into a playoff run.

Because if I had to come up with one word to describe Sutter and how he deals with the playoffs... it would be jackass.

JohnnyT · 03-01-2015, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by saillias

Or he could've just stopped being a jackass and signed Phaneuf to his ELC... Warrener on the Fan last week mentioned this, how the guys in the room knew he could play and wished he was there, but you've got Sutter prattling about how you can't bring a rookie into a playoff run.

I believe Warrener said that its was Phaneuf and his agent that weren't happy with the contract offer and wanted more signing/other bonuses and that's why he didn't play.

FlameZilla · 03-02-2015, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike F

At the risk of painting this with too broad a brush. . . .

I don't see how a waiver wire pickup solves any problem for Calgary - they don't have a lack of guys who can play 12 minutes per night on defense, they need someone who can reliably play 20 minutes per night.

(And yes, I'm aware Schlemko played 18 per night in Arizona, but his waiver status indicates to me that he didn't do it reliably).

Victim of a numbers game. Coyotes would have been hovering around the 50 contract limit after their recent trades (48 contracts now, I believe) and teams seem to like to have a bit of buffer space in case deals come in last-minute. That's why there's so much waiver activity in the weekend leading to the deadline.

Schlemko is definitely an NHL defenseman. Bottom pairing D, but he's a decent depth acquisition... for free.

Wastedyouth · 03-02-2015, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by backcheck!!!

it has been pointed out already that toronto has waiver priority over calgary (because toronto is no good), which means they get priority if both teams claim a guy.

But i'd like to further point out that this actually means that calgary very well could have claimed tom, they just ended up not getting him.

Considering they claimed another waiver defenceman the same day, it's actually not that far-fetched.

So you're not only wrong about how it works, but they may have actually put in a claim for the player you're mad about them not putting in a claim for.

fyp.