Treliving will be as aggressive as can be at deadline

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Just my opinion. I think this season is going to raise expectations, playoffs or no. I didn't say it was fair or justified.

If so, hopefully management is smarter than the fans and stay true to doing this rebuild properly.

[Hackey]

You waste assets on rentals some fans are happy some are not. You stand still some are happy some are not. The only way to appease all fans is to win the Stanley Cup so they should just worry about making moves that help us achieve that.

[dammage79]

If anything. Tonight put a lot more power into Trelivings hands. Sure the list of teams got shorter but so did the list of comparable players. I'm thining a nice return for Glencross is going to happen. The tide is cresting right now. Hopefully The Flames are going to hop on now.

[wwkayaker]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Just my opinion. I think this season is going to raise expectations, playoffs or no. I didn't say it was fair or justified.

I hope that most fans understand that this year is a nice run but that work still needs to be done to make the Flames a contender. Also, Flames' fans have had the fortun to watch the Edmonton Oilers debacle of a rebuild. That should buy Treliving and company some time.

That being said, I hope the Flames make the playoffs but I want it to be with the assets we have now or some piece we pick up without ruining our prospect base/future draft picks.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Stajan, Raymond, Engelland, Setoguchi, Diaz , Potter and Bollig who was a UFA that Chicago signed and traded for a 3rd.

GMs have to overpay for UFAs.... is this a surprise to you?

No acquisition cost other then money, for a team that has to hit a cap floor. I see no problem with this.

Also, I don't think Raymond is that much of an overpayment. Some days, he plays great and we're happy, other days he's not and we think he's a failure. I think he's a bit overpaid and the length is a bit long, but I attribute that to acquisition cost of a UFA. Funny enough, I think he wanted to sign the previous year and was willing to take less $ and a shorter term, but we did not strike then.... thems the cost.

As for Engelland... might sound crappy to have a 3rd pairing D making so much, but hte preiovus years it was Cory Sarich, or Anton Babchuck, or Steve Staois... etc. Every year, every team has them. With dman being a shortage (well known fact), and the no acquisition cost - no biggie.

(Not a fan of the Bollig trade, I was before but I'm not anyore)

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

GMs have to overpay for UFAs.... is this a surprise to you?

No acquisition cost other then money, for a team that has to hit a cap floor. I see no problem with this.

Also, I don't think Raymond is that much of an overpayment. Some days, he plays great and we're happy, other days he's not and we think he's a failure. I think he's a bit overpaid and the length is a bit long, but I attribute that to acquisition cost of a UFA. Funny enough, I think he wanted to sign the previous year and was willing to take less $ and a shorter term, but we did not strike then.... thems the cost.

As for Engelland... might sound crappy to have a 3rd pairing D making so much, but hte preiovus years it was Cory Sarich, or Anton Babchuck, or Steve Staois... etc. Every year, every team has them. With dman being a shortage (well known fact), and the no acquisition cost - no biggie.

(Not a fan of the Bollig trade, I was before but I'm not anyore)

Quoted for truth.

[Roof-Daddy]

Yeah, I don't mind Engelland that much. I just wish Smid could get healthy and stay that way so that maybe Treliving could trade him.

Smid OR Engelland I'm ok with but not both.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yeah, I don't mind Engelland that much. I just wish Smid could get healthy and stay that way so that maybe Treliving could trade him.

Smid OR Engelland I'm ok with but not both.

A decade ago, the idea used to be one physical stay-at-home guy to one puck mover ratio (or mabe 2-4 or 4-2 for physical guy to puck mover) but since about 2008-10, it started to move towards a 4-2 or even 5-1. I thought a 4-2 would have been right, but more and more teams are going to a 5-1.

I still think a 4-2 can work, but the way the pairing was put together combined with weaknesses of both players was just a brutal mix... I think the idea was to have Diaz as the puck mover in the case a 4-2 with Engelland and Smid failed, and have Engelland/Smid be the No 7 guy.

[Max Cow Disease]

This could really go any which way. If the Flames make more than one deal I could see one being "now" focused and another having more of an emphasis on the future.

[Dajazz]

Do something. He's as aggressive as a wet sponge. Gief blockbuster plz.

[Max Cow Disease]

Such a contrast between Feaster and Treliving. Feaster openly displayed far more emotional investment in his team (in the media, at the STH meetings, etc), and seemed to "show his cards" more often. Treliving seems like the shrewd businessman that his dad is. More cold and calculating. It will be interesting to see his first deadline here.

[Wastedyouth]

The only problem I have with the Engelland contract is it was an embarrassment and Engelland's play actually hurts the team on a regular basis.

So I guess I have a problem with the whole thing. haha.

[Obsidian]

With Brad's Arizona connection, and if OEL is supposedly not out of question, I'd put our 1st, 2nd, Raymond, Stajan, Sven, Granlund, Poirier, Klimchuk, Wotherspoon, Sieloff as well as mid level prospects out there as available in some type of package.

If we can swing anything that doesn't involve our core (Bennett, Gaudreau, Monahan, Gio, or Brodie) then I'm all for it, to bring in a young top d-man.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

The only problem I have with the Engelland contract is it was an embarrassment and Engelland's play actually hurts the team on a regular basis.

So I guess I have a problem with the whole thing. haha.

You hate the whole thing including the term? To me, it doesn't matter that he's overpaid because he doesn't have term. Your assessment of his play on the other hand...that I agree with for the most part.

Post above ^ please stop offering our 2015 first rounder in any deal. It should be virtually untradeable.

[Hugh Jahrmes]

Originally Posted by heep223

You hate the whole thing including the term? To me, it doesn't matter that he's overpaid because he doesn't have term. Your assessment of his play on the other hand...that I agree with for the most part.

Post above ^ please stop offering our 2015 first rounder in any deal. It should be virtually untradeable.

I used to think that way too.. Thing is, have the "use our first on a defenceman and stay the course" crowd considered the 3-5 years of development likely required to mould our player into something similar toOEL today?
At that point we have Money, Johnny and Sam off their ELCs, possibly Poirer, Ortio, Gran etc making decent cash. Maybe Monahan and Gaudreau take Subban-esque two year bridges and expect to be paid accordingly (top 10 forwards in the NHL).

That puts you in Oiler territory, with a team stacked with expensive young stud forwards backed up against the cap.. Basically caught with our pants down

I am 100% in support of trading noncore players or any picks to obtain a young top2 defenceman.

[Caged Great]

If it meant acquiring a legit 24-26 year old #2/3 D-man, I would be all for trading picks. Perhaps there are teams out there that might have a Nick Leddy style guy that we could target this off season.

[EldrickOnIce]

I just hope something valuable gets accomplished.
I don't want Treviling to be the guy who calls the press conference after nothing goes down and says we tried (like a certain someone north).

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

GMs have to overpay for UFAs.... is this a surprise to you?

No acquisition cost other then money, for a team that has to hit a cap floor. I see no problem with this.

Also, I don't think Raymond is that much of an overpayment. Some days, he plays great and we're happy, other days he's not and we think he's a failure. I think he's a bit overpaid and the length is a bit long, but I attribute that to acquisition cost of a UFA. Funny enough, I think he wanted to sign the previous year and was willing to take less $ and a shorter term, but we did not strike then.... thems the cost.

As for Engelland... might sound crappy to have a 3rd pairing D making so much, but hte preiovus years it was Cory Sarich, or Anton Babchuck, or Steve Staois... etc. Every year, every team has them. With dman being a shortage (well known fact), and the no acquisition cost - no biggie.

(Not a fan of the Bollig trade, I was before but I'm not anyore)

Was/is Cammalleri an over payment?

Between Raymond 3 yrs 9.5 and Stajan 4 yrs 12.5 the Flames committed

22 Million. Cap hit just under 6.3 NJ got Cammalleri for 5 years at 25 M cap hit 5M.

Where do Stajan and Raymond fit in with next years team as far as forwards go?

Monahan,
Hudler
Gaudreau
Bouma
Colborne
Backlund
Bennett
Jones
Jooris
Byron
Poirier
Ferland
Granlund
Baertschi

Stajan
Raymond
Bollig

Stajan is particularly irksome as he had a 2 year span where he played at a level that would have had anyone with a 2-way contract playing in the AHL. Somehow he plays at an NHL for part of a season and boom he is a Flame for life.

But then again Canucks let Raymond as a 27 year old go for nothing when he he was a 1M / yr player..... That year he had 10 goals 22 pts in 56 games... pretty much what he is doing this year 15 pts in 47 games.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

You may not have said that exactly, but you seem to have said a lot very strange stuff in that post.

Not exactly.... I said pretty clearly that I thought Bollig would play on the third line. How the heck does anyone interpret that into Bollig being top six?



The other part of my pre-season prediction had Stajan on the 4th line and Bouma above the the 4rd line. Check back and see how many cp lineups had Bouma as 4th line or 13th forward.

Monahan and Colbourne did step up and earn their ice time by out-playing the opposition. Had they been outplayed 5 on 5 like they were the year before I think that Hartley would have adjusted their minutes accordingly.

[Muta]

Phoenix now has insanely bad centre depth without Vermette. If they are looking for players with term, Stajan is their man.

Well, that or throwing Granlund or Jankowski in a package for OEL.