Treliving will be as aggressive as can be at deadline

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Because the flames have the cap space and probably will not be a cap team for some time. Again it's the same as taking on Horton. Horton was not going to play but would eat up cap space.

It's not the same as taking on Horton at all.

Horton will not count against the cap for the entirety of his contract.

Semin's will, and until 2018.

Do you believe that the Flames will be uncompetitive until 2018?

Add to that, the cap situation in the NHL is uncertain right now. It's expected to go down this off-season as well.

A few players are getting raises this off-season, so reaching the floor is of no issue either.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

You can't do that anymore. If we traded for Semin and he was unsurprisingly bad, his cap hit would be $6.075 million for many years in the AHL.

Why would the Flames want to put themselves in that position.

Because the Flames have the cap floor to be concerned of and having one big bad contract allows you to play multiple young players on entry level contracts than having two or three Stajans or Raymonds taking away playing time from your promising young players because you need their salaries on the books. This is why Treliving is going out looking for that bad contract. He knows he's got a bunch of youngsters on the farm than need a roster spot but won't be able to hit the floor because of it. David Jones, Matt Stajan and Mason Raymond are still on the team because their salaries are needed on the books, not because they provide a lot of value.

[Vinny01]

Treliving certainly has several options going into this deadline because he has several cards and angles he can play.

Seller: Glencross will be traded and the likely return is picks. If the Flames can squeeze a 2nd and a 3rd from a team that would help keep the prospect cupboard full or give him trade chips for players that can help now and in the future.

Buyer: this team is in position to make the playoffs and adding to the team to get them in is an option. The blue line clearly is an area of need. Treliving has stated he won't put "A" assets in deals for rentals but will explore cheaper options. Darren Pang said the Flames offered a 4th for Bergenheim. I expect that would be the highest pick they would move for a rental.

Hockey trade: this is the deal I think some GM's will contemplate leading up to Monday. The draft and deadline is when most of the trades occur in the NHL. There is usually a deal or 2 that happen on deadline day that nobody sees coming. The Flames have a mix of forwards and defensemenn with term they could part with. Raymond, Stajan Bollig, possibly Backlund (RFA)and Colborne. Then on D you have Smid and Engellend in addition to several prospects in the 22-24 age range that could be involved like Baertschi, Granlund, Reinhart, Agostino, Hanowski, Shore that can be added to potential hockey deals.

The flames also have the option to do a cap dump and take on a bad deal for an asset like a pick or prospect.

Brad has a lot of options between now and Monday. I hope the team is active while being able to stick to the plan. Perhaps the Flames try and get a guy like Gormley? A swap of young players is quite possible. Maybe the Flames get a 24 year old player with term?

I am excited for the next 3 days and hope we see some action when it comes to the flames

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

It's not the same as taking on Horton at all.

Horton will not count against the cap for the entirety of his contract.

Semin's will, and until 2018.

Do you believe that the Flames will be uncompetitive until 2018?

Add to that, the cap situation in the NHL is uncertain right now. It's expected to go down this off-season as well.

A few players are getting raises this off-season, so reaching the floor is of no issue either.

Why would Horton's contract not count against the cap? I highly doubt he is retiring and giving up all that money. The only difference is that they can go over the cap by however much Horton makes. I highly doubt they would need to be using that clause in the next 2-3 years. Maybe the third year but nothing sooner.

[Badgers Nose]

Great summary.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Why would Horton's contract not count against the cap? I highly doubt he is retiring and giving up all that money. The only difference is that they can go over the cap by however much Horton makes. I highly doubt they would need to be using that clause in the next 2-3 years. Maybe the third year but nothing sooner.

Horton will be on LTIR and will not count against the Leafs' cap at all during the regular season.

I believe it will count against the cap during the off-season, but teams are also allowed to go 10% over during that time.

If we are taking on Semin, I literally want nothing but Lindholm or Faulk. Carolina has little else to make it enticing (besides of course their 1st rounder this year).

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Horton will be on LTIR and will not count against the Leafs' cap at all during the regular season.

I believe it will count during the off-season, but teams are also allowed to go 10% over during the summer.

LTIR only comes into play when you reach cap limit.

[OzSome]

I like Glencross and wish they keep him BUT I guess it is for the best that they trade him for a decent D and a draft pick. I feel for the guy being accussed of a lot of things(lazy, not interested, character issue, don't care attitude and so on). When one person here start bad-mouthing a player others follows then the next thing you know everybody hates that player. I hope he goes to an Eastern team. I don't mind getting that Bartkowski guy + pick from Boston. Washington might be a good fit for him playing with Ovie.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

LTIR only comes into play when you reach cap limit.

And because his contract is uninsured, the Leafs will be paying him that money regardless.

My point is that he will never have any cap implications for the Leafs. If they reach a point where they need the cap space, his contract will not count towards the cap.

Semin is not the same. Unless he suffers a career ending injury, his contract will always count towards the cap.

[edslunch]

Treliving needs to ramp up the aggression if he wants to get anything done. Options (to buy or sell) are dropping like flies

[dammage79]

Yeah, so aggressive that Treliving. Probably why no one wants to trade with him.....

[jiginla12]

Is it just me or are Treliving & Co. just dicking everyone around with Giordano injury to secure the market on deadline day because the Flames don't play until the day after? It is a seller's market after all and pieces have been moving in bunches over the past 3 days.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by jiginla12

Is it just me or are Treliving & Co. just dicking everyone around with Giordano injury to secure the market on deadline day because the Flames don't play until the day after? It is a seller's market after all and pieces have been moving in bunches over the past 3 days.

Potentially trying to make the Gio injury seem less serious could absolutely have to do with negotiating positions leading up to deadline day.

It could also have to do with the team's mindset. A lot easier to get a young group to rally and believe they can win a few games without their captain and best player then get them to believe they can succeed in a playoff push from now until the end of the year with out him. Always keep them thinking that maybe they only have to get through just one more game with out him, that could be the best thing for them.

Or maybe, Gio simply is day to day.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by jiginla12

Is it just me or are Treliving & Co. just dicking everyone around with Giordano injury to secure the market on deadline day because the Flames don't play until the day after? It is a seller's market after all and pieces have been moving in bunches over the past 3 days.

How do you think he's dicking people around? What people? And how does that have to do with Gio's injury or extent of it?

[ricardodw]

wow when it comes together the Flames really did a bad job at UFA's over the last year. All the guys the Flames would look to dump at the trade deadline were unforced errors. The Flames did not have to sign them as UFA's

Stajan, Raymond, Engelland, Setoguchi, Diaz , Potter and Bollig who was a UFA that Chicago signed and traded for a 3rd.

That is 13M / year that the Flames committed to the UFA market that combined would not likely bring back the 3rd round pick that they gave away for Bollig.

Player evaluation at the NHL level seems dreadfully inadequate.

With 20/20 hindsight 6M for Cammalleri >>>>>>>> 6M for Raymond plus Stajan.


Player evaluation at the NHL level seems dreadfully inadequate.
Or Hartley have trouble with guys who have cashed in.

Don't trade Glencross for a player...... needs to be a pick or a prospect that another team has not already evaluated.

[Rerun]

“I wouldn’t say I’m close. Things can change. We’re talking. There’s lots of conversations going on,” said Treliving. “Are we imminent? We hope; we expect and anticipate to get some business done. But again, I don’t know. You need somebody to say yes on the other line too.

“So we’re going to be as aggressive as we can. We’ll see where that gets us.”

So... they're not close to making a deal, they are being hardline in their negotiations, and nobody is returning their phone calls to say yes.

This makes me fairly pessimistic that Glencross will still be a Flame come 5:00 pm Monday... particularly since Glencross has only agreed to be traded to Tampa Bay, Chicago, Nashville, LA, Anaheim, and Washington.

... and out those six possible trade partners, Anaheim recently made a trade for veteran forward Tomas Fleischmann and Nashville recently acquired veteran forward Michael Santorelli.

So that basically leaves 4 teams to play hardball with... the Lightning, Black Hawks, Kings, and Capitals.

NHL Power Rankings: Trade Deadline Panic Edition http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/n...o-maple-leafs/

[blender]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

wow when it comes together the Flames really did a bad job at UFA's over the last year. All the guys the Flames would look to dump at the trade deadline were unforced errors. The Flames did not have to sign them as UFA's

Stajan, Raymond, Engelland, Setoguchi, Diaz , Potter and Bollig who was a UFA that Chicago signed and traded for a 3rd.

That is 13M / year that the Flames committed to the UFA market that combined would not likely bring back the 3rd round pick that they gave away for Bollig.

Player evaluation at the NHL level seems dreadfully inadequate.

With 20/20 hindsight 6M for Cammalleri >>>>>>>> 6M for Raymond plus Stajan.


Player evaluation at the NHL level seems dreadfully inadequate.
Or Hartley have trouble with guys who have cashed in.

Don't trade Glencross for a player...... needs to be a pick or a prospect that another team has not already evaluated.

Can't agree with all of this. While some of these deals are questionable, I'm sure Diaz would fetch a third right now from a team in need of defensive depth.
It's not like these deals are really hurting the Flames anyways.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Rerun

So... they're not close to making a deal, they are being hardline in their negotiations, and nobody is returning their phone calls to say yes.

This makes me fairly pessimistic that Glencross will still be a Flame come 5:00 pm Monday... particularly since Glencross has only agreed to be traded to Tampa Bay, Chicago, Nashville, LA, Anaheim, and Washington.

... and out those six possible trade partners, Anaheim recently made a trade for veteran forward Tomas Fleischmann and Nashville recently acquired veteran forward Michael Santorelli.

So that basically leaves 4 teams to play hardball with... the Lightning, Black Hawks, Kings, and Capitals.

NHL Power Rankings: Trade Deadline Panic Edition http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/n...o-maple-leafs/

That the media know of. We have zero clue the true inner workings of this circumstance to present media info as bonafide facts. Let's also repeat another bit of media info that said Glencross is willing to work on the list with the Flames to help the situation out as things progress.

[Stay Golden]

My gut tells me the Flames will move Glencross mabe Raymond but will not replace them with anyone of significant value.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

wow when it comes together the Flames really did a bad job at UFA's over the last year. All the guys the Flames would look to dump at the trade deadline were unforced errors. The Flames did not have to sign them as UFA's

Stajan, Raymond, Engelland, Setoguchi, Diaz , Potter and Bollig who was a UFA that Chicago signed and traded for a 3rd.

That is 13M / year that the Flames committed to the UFA market that combined would not likely bring back the 3rd round pick that they gave away for Bollig.

Player evaluation at the NHL level seems dreadfully inadequate.

With 20/20 hindsight 6M for Cammalleri >>>>>>>> 6M for Raymond plus Stajan.


Player evaluation at the NHL level seems dreadfully inadequate.
Or Hartley have trouble with guys who have cashed in.

Don't trade Glencross for a player...... needs to be a pick or a prospect that another team has not already evaluated.

This from the guy that was adamant that Bollig wasn't a 4th line grinder and Chicago held him back from being a top 6 player.