[Trade] Leafs trade David Clarkson to Blue Jackets for Nathan Horton - Page 6 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

bubbsy · 02-26-2015, 04:55 PM

wow.

i thought you weren't allowed to trade injured players (ie. players on LTIR).

Hackey · 02-26-2015, 04:57 PM

Semi related question about cap. If Voynov goes to jail will his contract still count? Is there any rules for this in the CBA or will it be treated as a special case? Anyone know?

Roughneck · 02-26-2015, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

It would have been Horton + young player for Stajan + Raymond. Or so I am told.

Can't say I see the sense from the BJs here. Stajan + Raymond puts them in a much better position than Clarkson does (even if we call production a wash for argument's sake, their contracts are up earlier leaving a lot more flexibility).

I guess the Flames were looking for too good of a young player I guess.

devo22 · 02-26-2015, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbsy

wow.

i thought you weren't allowed to trade injured players (ie. players on LTIR).

yes you can, the Jets just traded Evander Kane after all ... you just have to disclose all details of the injury I believe. That's why the Oilers got stick back then because they didn't tell the Kings about Frasers injury.

Captaincanada80 · 02-26-2015, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbsy

wow.

i thought you weren't allowed to trade injured players (ie. players on LTIR).

U can with full discloser of medical records

Brewmaster · 02-26-2015, 04:58 PM

Is Columbus certain that they will never become a team that spends to the salary cap? If not, this might come back to bite them if they turn into a contender and Clarkson continues his decline.

It's a smart move by Toronto to essentially shed Clarkson's contract for ~$25M, but ownership can't be happy about paying that kind of money for a bad signing from 2 years ago. Will they think twice about throwing money at the next UFA on July 1st? I doubt it.

Jay Random · 02-26-2015, 04:59 PM

NM: beaten by the crowd. Curse you, Captaincanada80, for saving time with txt talk!

Coach · 02-26-2015, 05:00 PM

I hope Clarkson tears it up in Columbus.

albertGQ · 02-26-2015, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by lazypucker

I thought the league has banned trading of injured players...

Were you a hockey fan a couple weeks ago when evander Kane was traded?

Oling_Roachinen · 02-26-2015, 05:08 PM

The salaries are pretty much a wash. So if Horton really is done, it's really a good move by both teams. Paying 30M for one player not to play or pay 30M to another player to play is a no-brainer for Columbus. Despite some of the hyperbole with just how bad Clarkson is, even if they buy him out they are in a better spot financially they were before the trade (Horton would not be able to be bought out)

Toronto, made of cash, gets rid of an anchor of a contract. So it's a solid move by them especially if Horton has a chance of coming back.

But Nonis essentially fixed his mistake of signing Clarkson by throwing away ~30M today and Toronto fans are actually impressed with him.

Robbob · 02-26-2015, 05:11 PM

With Toronto going into a rebuild do they even need the LTIR. If they ship Kessel and Phanuef they aren't going to be much of a cap team.

How many years is left on Horton?

dirk diggler · 02-26-2015, 05:12 PM

the leafs are the redskins of the NHL, the clarkson signing is their Haynesworth

Money Baer · 02-26-2015, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbob

With Toronto going into a rebuild do they even need the LTIR. If they ship Kessel and Phanuef they aren't going to be much of a cap team.

How many years is left on Horton?

Horton becomes UFA in 2020/21

Jay Random · 02-26-2015, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbob

With Toronto going into a rebuild do they even need the LTIR.

Sure they do. Even if they flush out all their expensive vets, they'll just go and pig out at the UFA buffet over the summer. It's their nature.

Robbob · 02-26-2015, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Money Baer

Horton becomes UFA in 2020/21

ouch. That is bad.

Robbob · 02-26-2015, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Random

Sure they do. Even if they flush out all their expensive vets, they'll just go and pig out at the UFA buffet over the summer. It's their nature.

I guess it may be too much for Nonis and company to rebuild proper.

afc wimbledon · 02-26-2015, 05:20 PM

I'm guessing there's a gentle mans agreement for Toronto to buy something incredibly expensive from Columbus in the future, the worlds first six million dollar a year skate sharpner lease or the like.

Sylvanfan · 02-26-2015, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Random

The only things they give up are some flexibility to exceed the cap during the off season (which most teams don't use anyway), and the actual money to pay Horton with (which doesn't matter, because the Leafs have more money than they have any use for). In exchange, they get a mulligan on the idiotic contract they gave Clarkson. Sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me.

Would it also affect their tagging room for future seasons too? The idea that you can trade for a guy with an expensive termed contract if you are under the cap one season, but projected over the next.

Jay Random · 02-26-2015, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Would it also affect their tagging room for future seasons too? The idea that you can trade for a guy with an expensive termed contract if you are under the cap one season, but projected over the next.

I believe it would affect their tagging room, yes.

However, that doesn't come into play very often, because pretty much every team has more than $6 million in expiring contracts at the end of every season. You don't have to allocate tagging room for qualifying offers on RFAs, for instance.

opendoor · 02-26-2015, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Random

My understanding is that a player can be placed on LTIR in order to make the team cap compliant on the first day of the season; they don't have to be compliant before putting the player on LTIR. That, I believe, is how the Flyers have handled Pronger's cap hit.

This is correct. Players can be placed on LTIR on the final day of training camp

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So the Leafs can exceed the cap by 10% (about $7 million at present) during the off season, of which $6 million will be taken up by Horton's contract. Once the season starts, they can exceed the cap by the amount of Horton's contract.

Not exactly. They can only exceed the cap by the amount they're over on opening day. So if their roster at the end of training camp is only $3M over, that's the extent of their relief for the season. Usually you can get fairly close to a full exemption by shifting players between the NHL and AHL but not always, especially with a $6M contract.

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The only things they give up are some flexibility to exceed the cap during the off season (which most teams don't use anyway), and the actual money to pay Horton with (which doesn't matter, because the Leafs have more money than they have any use for). In exchange, they get a mulligan on the idiotic contract they gave Clarkson. Sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me.

They also lose a lot of in season flexibility if they're going to be a cap team. Once you place a guy on LTIR prior to the season it becomes pretty difficult to even have enough room to call anyone up for short term injuries without putting another guy on LTIR.

You also get hammered by bonuses if you're using LTIR. Normally any achieved bonuses eat up any cap space left over at the end of the season before getting tacked onto the next year's total, but since there is zero cap space while using LTIR 100% of achieved bonuses get pushed to the next season. That's what happened with Chicago after winning the cup in 2010 and with the Bruins this year where Iginla and Hamilton's bonuses from last season are taking up nearly $5M in cap space.