02-26-2015, 12:45 PM
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I think we could work with something like the Lupul contract, with 3 years remaining of overpaying a player but once you get into Kessel/Phaneuf territory you are really hand cuffing your ability to obtain and retain other, likely better, higher ticket players.
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02-26-2015, 02:22 PM
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#182
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by ComixZone
Well, I disagree with the majority of what you've said.
Phaneuf is better than Wideman and Russell. Wideman and Russell have a great transition game, but are a weak link in the defensive zone when the opposition has possession.
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What? Russell is solid in his own zone and leads the NHL in blocked shots by a mile and you think Dion Phaneuf is better defensively? 
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02-26-2015, 02:49 PM
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#183
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Franchise Player
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Players are usually never as bad, or as good, as we think they are.
In my opinion that applies to Phil and Dion.
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02-26-2015, 02:51 PM
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#184
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What? Russell is solid in his own zone and leads the NHL in blocked shots by a mile and you think Dion Phaneuf is better defensively? |
And last year wasn't Butler #1?
It's not a bad thing to block a lot of shots but it's still a compensatory skill.
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02-26-2015, 02:58 PM
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Scoring Winger
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Shot blocks are only necessary because the other team has the puck.....if you lead the league in that category it may not be a good thing....
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02-26-2015, 03:02 PM
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#186
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People seriously want to waste assets and cap space on Phaneuf and Kessel? Seems like a deal that just screams of impatience. Seems like the perfect recipe to derail what were building.
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02-26-2015, 03:06 PM
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#187
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Originally Posted by Hackey
People seriously want to waste assets and cap space on Phaneuf and Kessel? Seems like a deal that just screams of impatience. Seems like the perfect recipe to derail what were building.
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Just a sniff of the playoffs and some people want to go all in. It shows a lack of patience with a rebuild in its early days.
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02-26-2015, 03:07 PM
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#188
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Originally Posted by Hackey
People seriously want to waste assets and cap space on Phaneuf and Kessel? Seems like a deal that just screams of impatience. Seems like the perfect recipe to derail what were building.
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I see maybe one or two people, but the majority seem to be preaching patience with the rebuild and consider what has happened and what will happen this season as gravy.
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02-26-2015, 03:07 PM
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#189
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Red Menace
Shot blocks are only necessary because the other team has the puck.....if you lead the league in that category it may not be a good thing....
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Depends on how many of the blocks happen at even strength. But yea, if you're leading the league in blocks, I'm assuming it means the other team has the puck a lot when you're on the ice.
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02-26-2015, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Hackey
People seriously want to waste assets and cap space on Phaneuf and Kessel? Seems like a deal that just screams of impatience. Seems like the perfect recipe to derail what were building.
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Personally, I have no interest in Dion, no matter what stage of the rebuild we are in.
I've said I wouldn't mind kicking tires on Kessel, but at the outset I said I would only be interested as long as:
Giordano
Brodie
Monahan
Gaudreau
Bennett
...were 100% off the table. If any of those pieces have to be moved to acquire Kessel, then I would happily walk away.
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02-26-2015, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Badgers Nose
I think the veteran core of this team is set, and the young core is set. Where Flames need to add is the 24-28 year olds that will be grizzled vets in 3 years when they are contenders and the kids are in their prime.
Phil and Dion fit that almost perfectly.
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Phaneuf turns 30 in April. He's pretty nearly a grizzled vet now, and signed with a $7 million cap hit for six more years. Big pass, even if he wasn't a lunkhead.
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02-26-2015, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Menace
Shot blocks are only necessary because the other team has the puck.....if you lead the league in that category it may not be a good thing....
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02-26-2015, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Menace
Shot blocks are only necessary because the other team has the puck.....
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Sure, but that's a team issue, and doesn't detract from the play of Russell in that respect. The fact that Russell blocks a lot means that he is good at that defensive aspect.
In other words, it may not be good that Russell is forced situationally to block a lot of shots, but it's good that he does it.
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02-26-2015, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
Personally, I have no interest in Dion, no matter what stage of the rebuild we are in.
I've said I wouldn't mind kicking tires on Kessel, but at the outset I said I would only be interested as long as:
Giordano
Brodie
Monahan
Gaudreau
Bennett
...were 100% off the table. If any of those pieces have to be moved to acquire Kessel, then I would happily walk away.
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I can agree with this as well. Phaneuf zero interest in. Kessel if you can get him at a bargain price it is worth exploring but I'm skeptical that we will get that real bargain price. He's still a top winger in the league despite his flaws.
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02-26-2015, 04:11 PM
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Toronto is financially the worst run team in the league, including Edmonton. The only players that are on a good contract are JVR and Kormorov, and that is it for the entire team. Absolutely everyone else is overpaid, has too much term, or is a pending RFA/UFA.
Trading for anyone on that team handcuffs the obtaining team in some way, unless you are trading for an RFA/UFA. Toronto will actually have to start giving away players if they are serious about a rebuild.
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02-26-2015, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Hackey
I can agree with this as well. Phaneuf zero interest in. Kessel if you can get him at a bargain price it is worth exploring but I'm skeptical that we will get that real bargain price. He's still a top winger in the league despite his flaws.
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ya, I agree with him too. No thanks to Dion no matter the cost.
I wouldn't mind getting Kessel but all those guys he mentioned are off the table. He is still a really good player and I think could really help us out. I would trade our 1st this year and any other prospects mentioned to get him. But not sure that is enough. Oh well.
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02-26-2015, 04:39 PM
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Franchise Player
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Trading with Toronto is just a bad idea.
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02-26-2015, 04:42 PM
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#198
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Just a sniff of the playoffs and some people want to go all in. It shows a lack of patience with a rebuild in its early days.
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Nope. Shows a serious lack of reading comprehension on your part. The two sides of you polemic are not mutually exclusive. That's your error.
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02-26-2015, 04:42 PM
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Psytic
He is the kind of guy thats wants to be the man and I think it would conflict with Gio's leadership. I also dont think his footspeed and hockey sense are good enough for Hartley's system.
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And, as the opposite of Zoolander, Phaneuf can't turn right.
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02-26-2015, 06:33 PM
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#200
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames
Phaneuf isn't better on the PK and defensive zone than our 2.6mil 2nd pairing d-man in Russell.
Wideman and Russell are a great, balanced pairing. Just like the first pairing. Why do people want to swap veterans and mess with that chemistry?
I hope Treliving doesn't make a deal just to make a deal. That's what this Phaneuf proposal is sounding like.
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