[Trade] Glencross to Washington for a 2015 2nd and 2015 3rd round pick (WSH) (Archive)

[Caged Great]

makes you wonder if the Flames shouldn't dangle Wideman and Jones out there to see what offers are out there.

If the Flames got anywhere near what the Hurricanes did for Sekera for Wideman, I think I would be fine with that.

[Igster]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

makes you wonder if the Flames shouldn't dangle Wideman and Jones out there to see what offers are out there.

If the Flames got anywhere near what the Hurricanes did for Sekera for Wideman, I think I would be fine with that.

I'm really not sure why people want to trade Wideman. The guy is a warrior and plays his ass off every night. Seems like a great team guy too.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Igster

I'm really not sure why people want to trade Wideman. The guy is a warrior and plays his ass off every night. Seems like a great team guy too.

Age more than anything. He'll be too old once the Flames are ready in two years. Selling high more than anything.

[Igster]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Age more than anything. He'll be too old once the Flames are ready in two years. Selling high more than anything.

Then next season at the deadline. If the Flames make the playoffs, Wideman should be part of it IMO.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by RedMileDJ

I swear my head is going to explode. Has he ever been called this, outside of CP!?!?

I call him GlenX all the time. Problem is it sounds just like Glencross.

Originally Posted by codynw

I think it's pretty lame, but does it seriously make people this mad? Who cares?

fwr ltrs

Originally Posted by dammage79

The history of the X relates the the Christian cross. Learned that on CP in the gear grinder thread. Have you seen that thread before? It'll make you head eXplode! . I jest. I too cannot wait until he is trade so lazy typers cannot use the letter X in GlenX or Xmas or Xssing.

Atheists say it GlenX.

Originally Posted by RedMileDJ

I suppose I stand somewhat corrected. Just noticed that Roger Millions has used the name 'GlenX' as of recent.

Anyway, sorry to derail...

No problem.

Originally Posted by Gaudfather

Makes the short term rental of Scoreface look pretty attractive for teams against a cap limit.

This is a name GlenX actually says he does not like.

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

He was called it by Oilers fans when he played for them.

Which is why I believe most people around here have a disdain for that particular nickname

They also to refer to the Oilers as a hockey team, but that doesn't mean I have a problem calling Flames a hockey team. Even though they seem to play different sports when I compare the two.

Originally Posted by nik-

GlenX is a greaser fan nickname btw ... so enjoy using their lingo.

will do, thanks

[Gaudfather]

If the Capitals are interested in Glencross, I wonder if there is a way we could get Karl Alzner out of them - he would certainly be a good shutdown guy on our backend. Lots of Calgary history too.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

makes you wonder if the Flames shouldn't dangle Wideman and Jones out there to see what offers are out there.

If the Flames got anywhere near what the Hurricanes did for Sekera for Wideman, I think I would be fine with that.

Do you really want Smid, Engelland or Diaz to be slotted at #4?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Igster

Then next season at the deadline. If the Flames make the playoffs, Wideman should be part of it IMO.

Market will likely be very different then. Wideman may see a performance drop off that may not make him as attractive at this moment. Maximize return where possible. If you can get a 1st and a young defenseman with top four potential for the future, you take that and run.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Do you really want Smid, Engelland or Diaz to be slotted at #4?

Wotherspoon could take that spot for the time being.

We would likely be able to use the 5 mil freed up to sign a similar calibre guy in the offseason like Franson or Sekera (assuming that the Preds/Kings don't keep them)

[YogiBerra]

I could see Glencross going to Chicago if we make it we won't be playing them in the first round and we don't play them anymore this year. With LA and Nashville loading up and Kane injured for 6-10 and potentially missing the first round of the playoffs. Glencross would be better than anyone they can replace him with in their top six. If Teuvo doesn't produce it will leave a hole on their third line because they will have to move up Versteeg.

[RyZ]

Originally Posted by Igster

I'm really not sure why people want to trade Wideman. The guy is a warrior and plays his ass off every night. Seems like a great team guy too.

If he were to go for a 1st and a legit prospect, sign me up.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Igster

I'm really not sure why people want to trade Wideman. The guy is a warrior and plays his ass off every night. Seems like a great team guy too.

Wideman lost favor last year when he started out last year as the #1 d man for the first 20 games ahead of Gio and then broke his hand and came back and played like a one armed D-men (crap) and then got hurt again. somehow the mob got it into their head that despite Hartley playing him a minute and a half less than Norris candidate Gio that Wideman and Glencross sucks at all things hockey and are a big part the reason the Flames are not challenging for the president trophy or at least home ice in round 1 and not part of the reason they are actually in the playoff race at the trade deadline. They must think that Hartley is a doufus that really doesn't understand hockey.

Maybe they are having so much fun with the rebuild and the paper team of 2016 they have morphed into Oiler-type fans.

Gio is the same age as Wideman .... Probably should get a couple of 1st rounders for him now because when Bennett is 25 and hitting his prime Gio will be 30 freaking 9.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by New Era

Market will likely be very different then. Wideman may see a performance drop off that may not make him as attractive at this moment. Maximize return where possible. If you can get a 1st and a young defenseman with top four potential for the future, you take that and run.

Do you even read what you type?


Wideman, Russell, Gio, Brodie Monahan Hudler. and Gaudreau ALL might see a performance drop off.

In fact chances are that Hudler, Russell, Wideman, Gio and Brodie are all having career seasons and maybe 5 first round picks might be better than actually having a hockey team contending for a playoff spot.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Wideman lost favor last year when he started out last year as the #1 d man for the first 20 games ahead of Gio and then broke his hand and came back and played like a one armed D-men (crap) and then got hurt again. somehow the mob got it into their head that despite Hartley playing him a minute and a half less than Norris candidate Gio that Wideman and Glencross sucks at all things hockey and are a big part the reason the Flames are not challenging for the president trophy or at least home ice in round 1 and not part of the reason they are actually in the playoff race at the trade deadline. They must think that Hartley is a doufus that really doesn't understand hockey.

Maybe they are having so much fun with the rebuild and the paper team of 2016 they have morphed into Oiler-type fans.

Gio is the same age as Wideman .... Probably should get a couple of 1st rounders for him now because when Bennett is 25 and hitting his prime Gio will be 30 freaking 9.

Calgary would likely be one of the top destinations for two way defensemen because of the style that the Flames employ. This is important when it comes to the offseason and free agency. They would be better able to generate points as a Flame vs most other places, and more points leads to bigger contracts afterwards. Plus you have the whole team on the rise angle.

Also, teams will be in cap trouble in the offseason with the cap going down, so we might be able to pick off a quality guy that has a bad contract from a team that needs to go in another direction like Boston/Chicago did when they dealt Boychuk/Leddy to the Isles.

[sureLoss]

Roger Millions @RogMillions
Glencross taking warmup. As usual #Flames. Some thought he might have been held out.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

In fact chances are that Hudler, Russell, Wideman, Gio and Brodie are all having career seasons and maybe 5 first round picks might be better than actually having a hockey team contending for a playoff spot.

Nobody said to trade off four of those 5 guys. Just the worst of the group and only if the trade offer was an overpayment.

In the scenario posted, we would be losing Wideman's services for 18 games before we can find a quality replacement in the offseason when prices are lower, and there are more options available.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

TSN's latest Tradebait list after the Sekera trade. When Olli Jokinen makes it onto the list you know it is officially a seller's market.

Jesus. 7 points as a centre.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I think the Winnik deal helps Glencross' value; I think Glencross is a better player and now there are even less options out there for whoever is bidding on him. The teams have to "keep up with the Jones'" so to speak and if the pens made that deal then maybe the caps or rangers have to do something to improve too....

I might be in the minority but I'm starting to think getting a 2nd for Glencross might not be possible. I value Glencross more than Winnik and Tlusty, but every ranking board I have seen has had those 2 well before Glencross. Tlusty got a 3rd in 2016 and 5th this year. Even Winnik's 2nd rounder is not for this year. I'm not even going to bother pipe dreaming about getting a solid prospect from another team. It's looking like picks are what teams rather give up.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Wideman lost favor last year when he started out last year as the #1 d man for the first 20 games ahead of Gio and then broke his hand and came back and played like a one armed D-men (crap) and then got hurt again. somehow the mob got it into their head that despite Hartley playing him a minute and a half less than Norris candidate Gio that Wideman and Glencross sucks at all things hockey and are a big part the reason the Flames are not challenging for the president trophy or at least home ice in round 1 and not part of the reason they are actually in the playoff race at the trade deadline. They must think that Hartley is a doufus that really doesn't understand hockey.

Maybe they are having so much fun with the rebuild and the paper team of 2016 they have morphed into Oiler-type fans.

Gio is the same age as Wideman .... Probably should get a couple of 1st rounders for him now because when Bennett is 25 and hitting his prime Gio will be 30 freaking 9.

Huh?

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Do you even read what you type?


Wideman, Russell, Gio, Brodie Monahan Hudler. and Gaudreau ALL might see a performance drop off.

In fact chances are that Hudler, Russell, Wideman, Gio and Brodie are all having career seasons and maybe 5 first round picks might be better than actually having a hockey team contending for a playoff spot.

Huh?

[JohnnySkittles]

Originally Posted by Gaudfather

If the Capitals are interested in Glencross, I wonder if there is a way we could get Karl Alzner out of them - he would certainly be a good shutdown guy on our backend. Lots of Calgary history too.

Unless we part with Monahan/Bennett/Brodie, no.