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Zevo · 02-25-2015, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

The best way to show that they want to win is to build for the future.

Exactly, it's nice to read that they won't...

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Calgary knows giving up the future doesn’t make sense. Not at this stage in their growth.

Fan in Exile · 02-25-2015, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

He more than addresses the weakness on the 3rd pairing. He skates like our top 4 D and in Hartley's system he'd have a field day.

The Caps would be fools to do that deal. But all the same.

Well, then again this is the team that traded Filip Forsberg for Martin Erat and Michael Latta.

Ashasx · 02-25-2015, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Zevo

Exactly, it's nice to read that they won't...

Trading Glencross for pieces to help compete in 2-3 years versus trading Glencross for pieces that help us win now.

ThatsRobbery · 02-25-2015, 09:46 AM

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Well, then again this is the team that traded Filip Forsberg for Martin Erat and Michael Latta.

Wish people would stop mentioning this, that was a different GM. I would guess Brian McLennan isn't that stupid to do a similar trade, but I guess one could hope.

Bourque's Twin · 02-25-2015, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Another d-man who can move the puck, and will improve our PP. With Diaz emerging it is less of a need, but the 3rd pairing is a black hole at moving the puck right now.

The team is successful when we can play with pace because of our mobile d-men, and the 3rd pairing prevents that right now.

Brodie-Giordano
Russell- Wideman
Smid - Green

Engelland

Looks alright to me. Mike Green isn't amazing but he would be a damn helpful d-man on this team.

It also might not be just a rental. Mike Green is from Calgary, spends his summers here, and we could have the inside track on re-signing him for a "home town discount" of sorts.

I actually like this idea. It wouldn't be a homerun win, as Green is a UFA at the end of the year, but it certainly fills a current need. To echo what you said, Green would probably sign for a hometown discount. What that amount is, I don't know. Maybe a 4 year deal for $3.75 million each year?

Green is on Washington's 3rd pairing, so they would probably not be upset losing him. Glencross could potentially fit in well with Ovi and Backstrom. He could stand in front of the net while Backstrom feeds Ovi one-timers.

Giordano - Brodie
Russell - Wideman
Smid/Engelland - Green

The PP could have Gio - Green and Brodie - Wideman.

SuperMatt18 · 02-25-2015, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

Trading Glencross for pieces to help compete in 2-3 years versus trading Glencross for pieces that help us win now.

It's tough.

I agree they shouldn't be moving any of our own pieces to win now.

But then selling is a bad signal to the dressing room that is working to make the playoffs.

If I was Giordano and they go and trade Glencross for a 3rd or something I wouldn't be thinking "Oh good we got a piece that might help us in 2-3 years"

Need to try and balance the future, and the culture in that locker room of building a winning environment.

Zevo · 02-25-2015, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

Trading Glencross for pieces to help compete in 2-3 years versus trading Glencross for pieces that help us win now.

Why can't it be both? Showing the young guys they want to win without sacrificing a high draft pick is a win/win situation.

Ashasx · 02-25-2015, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It's tough.

I agree they shouldn't be moving any of our own pieces to win now.

But then selling is a bad signal to the dressing room that is working to make the playoffs.

If I was Giordano and they go and trade Glencross for a 3rd or something I wouldn't be thinking "Oh good we got a piece that might help us in 2-3 years"

Need to try and balance the future, and the culture in that locker room of building a winning environment.

I just have a hard time believing that the group is relying that much on Glencross.

Glencross has had a below average year. As a player on a particularly young team, I should understand that trading veterans like Glencross (not Giordano) is part of the game and will help us become a better team when our window to compete is actually open.

Teams get so few years to compete for the Cup in the NHL these days. Management needs to do the best to keep that window open as long as possible.

Kolbe31 · 02-25-2015, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by nik-

what hole does Mike Green fill on the Flames?

I have a feeling we will find out next season.

Tinordi · 02-25-2015, 09:57 AM

It's a very simple conversation to the players on this team who may somehow be offended by trading UFAs and sacrificing win-now:

This team is the process of building a powerhouse that will contend for the Stanley Cup. While we have a lot of great young talent and key leadership in this room but we need a bit more throughout the roster and that means we need to continue to keep our eyes on the future and maximize the value of our assets. That's what it takes in this day and age to build a team that will help you win the Stanley Cup.

Circa89 · 02-25-2015, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I wonder what Sergei Krivokrasov is up to these days.

It appears that he is engaged to Anna Kournikova.

She will hyphenate her name once married to Anna Kournikova- Krivokrasov.

Ashasx · 02-25-2015, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Zevo

Why can't it be both? Showing the young guys they want to win without sacrificing a high draft pick is a win/win situation.

We're not going to be trading Glencross for a significant piece on term.

There's an opportunity cost to trading him shortsightedly. I want the Flames to be smarter than that.

Coach · 02-25-2015, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

Trading Glencross for pieces to help compete in 2-3 years versus trading Glencross for pieces that help us win now.

What if the piece is an upgrade on Glencross now AND helps in 2-3 years and beyond?

PeteMoss · 02-25-2015, 10:00 AM

Glad to see a few posters working on their over-reactions with still a few days to go for the trading deadline.

SuperMatt18 · 02-25-2015, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

I just have a hard time believing that the group is relying that much on Glencross.

Glencross has had a below average year. As a player on a particularly young team, I should understand that trading veterans like Glencross (not Giordano) is part of the game and will help us become a better team when our window to compete is actually open.

Teams get so few years to compete for the Cup in the NHL these days. Management needs to do the best to keep that window open as long as possible.

I agree the team doesn't rely on Glencross at all, might even be addition by subtraction with the youth we can replace him with in the lineup.

But the issue is more of the message it sends to the dressing room. He is still a veteran who is a former 20 goal guy, and wears a letter on this team.

Also for the guys in that dressing room they feel their window to compete is open now. They aren't thinking just about 2-3 years from now.

Even the young guys. Ask Johnny Gaudreau if he wants to try to make the playoffs this year, or if he is thinking about winning a cup two years from now.

They want to make the playoffs, and then try to win a cup. We can try to act all rationale as fans (and management) but that isn't what the players in the dressing room are thinking.

If the players in the dressing room were looking at 2-3 years from now as their time to be competitive and win they would be trying about as hard as Edmonton.

IMO building the right culture, and showing the guys in the dressing room you believe in them by not pulling the chute on them this year is much more valuable then whatever Glencross might return (unless it is a huge overpayment like Madison Bowey/Buffalo 2nd).

Hot_Flatus · 02-25-2015, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Glencross has not been the make or break player for this team. If we lose him there will be a hole left but stay the course as treliving has stated before.

I think we all saw enough flashes from Ferland/Poirer last night to be confident that any drop off from losing Glencross would be minimal. We're not talking about the same player from a couple of years ago.

That lazy hooking penalty he took early last night pretty much sums up where his effort level and heart is these days imo.

Tinordi · 02-25-2015, 10:05 AM

Better quit the rebuild - we might damage the fragile psychology of these professional athletes that make up the roster of an overachieving playoff bubble team on the outside looking in.

Ashasx · 02-25-2015, 10:08 AM

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What if the piece is an upgrade on Glencross now AND helps in 2-3 years and beyond?

I too would like to trade our 3rd round pick for a 2nd. I wonder how many teams will be interested?

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I agree the team doesn't rely on Glencross at all, might even be addition by subtraction with the youth we can replace him with in the lineup.

But the issue is more of the message it sends to the dressing room. He is still a veteran who is a former 20 goal guy, and wears a letter on this team.

Also for the guys in that dressing room they feel their window to compete is open now. They aren't thinking just about 2-3 years from now.

Even the young guys. Ask Johnny Gaudreau if he wants to try to make the playoffs this year, or if he is thinking about winning a cup two years from now.

They want to make the playoffs, and then try to win a cup. We can try to act all rationale as fans (and management) but that isn't what the players in the dressing room are thinking.

If the players in the dressing room were looking at 2-3 years from now as their time to be competitive and win they would be trying about as hard as Edmonton.

IMO building the right culture, and showing the guys in the dressing room you believe in them by not pulling the chute on them this year is much more valuable then whatever Glencross might return (unless it is a huge overpayment like Madison Bowey/Buffalo 2nd).

If this sends a message to our dressing room to the point where players stop competing, we already had a problem to begin with.

Coach · 02-25-2015, 10:11 AM

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I too would like to trade our 3rd round pick for a 2nd.

You can package Glencross with other things to get an upgrade.

And yes, if its a better (or similar but younger) player, who is not a rental, trading Glencross and a prospect from a position of strength for a long term upgrade on Glencross is looking towards the future AND helps the team now.

SuperMatt18 · 02-25-2015, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

I too would like to trade our 3rd round pick for a 2nd. I wonder how many teams will be interested?

If this sends a message to our dressing room to the point where players stop competing, we already had a problem to begin with.

They probably won't stop competing, because they want to make the playoffs.

But you don't think the guys in the dressing room would be a little pissed off that they are 1 point out of the playoffs and the team is selling UFAs and not adding anything to help now?

Not sure why rebuild means you have to trade every veteran for picks/prospects.