Man stabbed, then decapitated on grey hound bus

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by habernac

And that is my problem with this guy going unsupervised. My great uncle was schizophrenic. He was very aware of his condition. He stopped taking his meds because he didn't think he needed them anymore. Once this guy is unsupervised, any guarantee of that is out the window.

I should clarify that I want him checking in with doctors for the rest of his life. I think that's a fair price for freedom.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

Stabbing someone and then decapitating them on a greyhound bus.
We've all been there at some point in our lives.
Show some compassion.

Good lord. Lime green?

If you're being to make a lame easy joke, make a lame easy joke. Don't do green font, don't do lime green font.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by jar_e

I would have hoped you would have realized given your line of work that heaven forbid if something hit the fan and they put the connection between your posts/opinion on CP and your line of work, you'd be ####ed.

There's a few law enforcement members on this board, myself included, but I at least attempt to practice restrain and be articulate in my opinion and why I think that way and leave opinion out of it. Further, I definitely don't take stuff that happens in my job, through the court systems, etc. personally. You'll kill yourself doing that.

Best of luck.

You are absolutely right. Maybe I should lay off of here for awhile until I am off these pain pills, this stupid surgery is sure taking it's time healing and I am sick of doing nothing. Sorry if I offended anyone.

[1stLand]

I am sorry but I agree with everything Dissentowner says.
He has spent time with victims of violence. He is on the front lines.
Whereas most of the 'enlightened' individuals commenting in this thread would probably have a drastically different opinion on what "true justice" is if it ever happened to a loved one.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

I am sorry but I agree with everything Dissentowner says.
He has spent time with victims of violence. He is on the front lines.
Whereas most of the 'enlightened' individuals commenting in this thread would probably have a drastically different opinion on what "true justice" is if it ever happened to a loved one.

This is why you don't let the victim decide the punishment. Very quickly you start chopping peoples hands and heads off. Look at the revenge fantasies wished upon criminals of all sorts in threads here. These aren't even the victims .

I fully agree with you that my opinion of what I want done to a criminal would likely change if it was someone I knew that was suffering. At that point I shouldn't be listened to.

Rational thought should be used to determine punishment not an emotional victim.

[1stLand]

Originally Posted by GGG

This is why you don't let the victim decide the punishment. Very quickly you start chopping peoples hands and heads off. Look at the revenge fantasies wished upon criminals of all sorts in threads here. These aren't even the victims .

I fully agree with you that my opinion of what I want done to a criminal would likely change if it was someone I knew that was suffering. At that point I shouldn't be listened to.

Rational thought should be used to determine punishment not an emotional victim.

Would you mind hosting Li in your Home while he transitions into the real world? He needs a place to stay. No? What about moving next door?

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

Would you mind hosting Li in your Home while he transitions into the real world? He needs a place to stay. No? What about moving next door?

How about at a home designed for helping mentally ill people get back on their feet. Seems like a better choice.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

I am sorry but I agree with everything Dissentowner says.
He has spent time with victims of violence. He is on the front lines.
Whereas most of the 'enlightened' individuals commenting in this thread would probably have a drastically different opinion on what "true justice" is if it ever happened to a loved one.

How can anyone blame someone who is out of their mind? It doesn't make any sense.

Anyway, the recidivism rate for criminals with mental illness is less than 8%. That number drops to 4% when treatment is maintained. That tells me all I need to know.

http://www.cba.org/cba/submissions/pdf/13-20-eng.pdf

The rate for recidivism is anywhere from 23%-45% for non ill criminals...depending who you ask/believe.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

I am sorry but I agree with everything Dissentowner says.
He has spent time with victims of violence. He is on the front lines.
Whereas most of the 'enlightened' individuals commenting in this thread would probably have a drastically different opinion on what "true justice" is if it ever happened to a loved one.

The best "if it were you" appeal to emotion fallacies are the ones that are already shown false.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

How about at a home designed for helping mentally ill people get back on their feet. Seems like a better choice.

Of course it's a better choice. And when that home is next door to yours, are you just as smug?
It should be as black and white as you are making it out to be... but it's not.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

Would you mind hosting Li in your Home while he transitions into the real world? He needs a place to stay. No? What about moving next door?

Li could be my neighbour and it wouldn't bother me in the least.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Of course it's a better choice. And when that home is next door to yours, are you just as smug?
It should be as black and white as you are making it out to be... but it's not.

Either you trust that the place has safegaurds in place to protect the community or you don't. If such a place meets all safety criteria then in theory it shouldn't be a problem but the nimby crowd and those who choose ignorance over facts would prevent it from ever being built.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Of course it's a better choice. And when that home is next door to yours, are you just as smug?
It should be as black and white as you are making it out to be... but it's not.

I am always just as smug.

These houses are there for a reason, and would happily accept one being near where I live just as I accept the recovery house being put up near me.

Now I agree Li is unique and will give a lot of people pause, but we have to trust the system we have in place for people that have his ailment. What is good for one cannot be no good for another.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Dion

Li could be my neighbour and it wouldn't bother me in the least.

I believe I would feel the same way,in this case.
And I expect I wouldn't be quite as enlightened when the recently released paedophile moved in across the street from my family.
I just wouldn't be.

[Antithesis]

I can not support the implementation of the death penalty in any case. I fail to understand the logic that killing people is wrong, so in order to prevent people from killing each other, we will kill people. When citizens of a country agree to the implementation and use of capital punishment, I believe that on a fundamental level it makes everyone a murderer.

Further, I believe that it is important to view mental illness as equally debilitating as those conditions that affect us physiologically. While the comparison isn't exact, we wouldn't "lock someone up forever" if they killed people due to a heart attack or stroke while driving a car, so I don't think we should "lock someone up forever" if they killed someone during a schizophrenic episode. Yes, I know it's inexact, but in both cases, illnesses led to one person being the cause of someone else's death.

Our sense of justice should also be two-sided. Have we been just to Li if we lock him up forever "in case" he kills again? What if he never would have done? Isn't that also unjust?

[Yeah_Baby]

#CPLetsTalk

[Flames_Gimp]

i think a bullet would be the best medicine for Li

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

i think a bullet would be the best medicine for Li

#CPletsgetangry

[polak]

Originally Posted by Antithesis

I can not support the implementation of the death penalty in any case. I fail to understand the logic that killing people is wrong, so in order to prevent people from killing each other, we will kill people. When citizens of a country agree to the implementation and use of capital punishment, I believe that on a fundamental level it makes everyone a murderer.

Further, I believe that it is important to view mental illness as equally debilitating as those conditions that affect us physiologically. While the comparison isn't exact, we wouldn't "lock someone up forever" if they killed people due to a heart attack or stroke while driving a car, so I don't think we should "lock someone up forever" if they killed someone during a schizophrenic episode. Yes, I know it's inexact, but in both cases, illnesses led to one person being the cause of someone else's death.

Our sense of justice should also be two-sided. Have we been just to Li if we lock him up forever "in case" he kills again? What if he never would have done? Isn't that also unjust?

Some people are unfit for unsupervised public living due to mental illness. I dont see how someone who cut someone's head off should be exempt from that?

What if he killed 25 people on his little outburst?

[Huntingwhale]

This has got to be a record for the most ''nm'' edits by a single poster in this thread on this board.

Also if Li is going to be released with conditions, fine. Obviously the medical professionals know him better then any of us. But if he does for some reason go off the wall again and cause harm to someone, those who let him free should be held accountable. I don't have a problem with people getting paroled when they prove they can be contributing members of society. Hopefully that happens with Li. But I'm of the opinion that if you are one of those board members who has the authority to release someone like that back into society, you should be held responsible if they commit a harmful act again. Board members are the ones who make the final judgement call and the onus is on them to make sure they aren't releasing someone who might harm innocent people.