[Trade] Glencross to Washington for a 2015 2nd and 2015 3rd round pick (WSH) (Archive)

[killer_carlson]

What about a sign and trade with the Islanders on Glencross, where we sign him to a 2 year extension, retain a big chunk of salary, and move him to the Islanders?

I wonder if that would help pry Reinhart out?

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Even though he wasn't here at the time, Treliving thought Burke did the right thing.

Huge grain of salt on that... I mean what else is he going to say? "Yeah, my new boss seriously screwed the pooch on that one didn't he"?

The most likely answer is simply that Burke misjudged the market and as a result was left with no one to dance with at the end of the night.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

What about a sign and trade with the Islanders on Glencross, where we sign him to a 2 year extension, retain a big chunk of salary, and move him to the Islanders?

I wonder if that would help pry Reinhart out?

Griffen?

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

What about a sign and trade with the Islanders on Glencross, where we sign him to a 2 year extension, retain a big chunk of salary, and move him to the Islanders?

I wonder if that would help pry Reinhart out?

I doubt Glencross will sign such a short deal.

[JiriHrdina]

Friedman this morning said that the Caps are not likely on Glencross's list but could be one that he thinks he would add.
Not a lot that captures my attention in the Caps system though - Bowey would be great but I doubt they would move him.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Did a single poster on CP make this argument, ever, before Burke failed to secure anything for Cammalleri last year?

Sorry, why does that matter?

[Five-hole]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Huge grain of salt on that... I mean what else is he going to say? "Yeah, my new boss seriously screwed the pooch on that one didn't he"?

The most likely answer is simply that Burke misjudged the market and as a result was left with no one to dance with at the end of the night.

I don't see the one being the consequence of the other. Misjudging the market means you think you'll get X, but you can't get X. I don't think there's much of a question that Burke wasn't offered X.

The question then becomes, should Burke have taken Y, which he apparently was offered? There seem to be some people suggesting that Burke made a mistake in not taking Y, and that that has something to do with his misjudging the market. Burke claims he didn't take Y because he didn't want to make a trade "to get what he could get". People are questioning whether that's actually the case (including you, apparently).

Are you suggesting that Burke's rigid stance on X prevented him from being able to take a Z, which was better than Y, but later not available? There's no evidence of this whatsoever.

[bucksmasher]

what thread is this again? the Cammalleri didn't get us a pick and Burke can't be trusted to make another deal because he got too much respect thread???

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

What about a sign and trade with the Islanders on Glencross, where we sign him to a 2 year extension, retain a big chunk of salary, and move him to the Islanders?

I wonder if that would help pry Reinhart out?

IMO no.

Snow will likely just pay the cheaper rental price and then try to re-sign him, rather than give up more assets for a signed Glencross.

[killer_carlson]

it's a signed Glencross with 40% of his salary retained. That's the kicker.

I agree though, it still wouldn't be enough if I was NYI, but I don't know their financial situation of course.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I understand the situations are different, thanks.

All I'm saying is that for a rebuilding team to lose two decent assets in back to back years for nothing would sting, badly. We'll see, I'm hoping for the best.

Except that holding on to him (if the offers aren't good enough) to help with a playoff push isn't "losing him for nothing". It's keeping him for the last few months for a purpose.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

it's a signed Glencross with 40% of his salary retained. That's the kicker.

I agree though, it still wouldn't be enough if I was NYI, but I don't know their financial situation of course.

Oh in that case I don't believe you can retain salary on a contract that has yet to come in effect (not 100% sure on this).

I.E. you can retain salary on Glencross' current contract, but would be unable to retain salary on an extension that would come in effect next season.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Huge grain of salt on that... I mean what else is he going to say? "Yeah, my new boss seriously screwed the pooch on that one didn't he"?

The most likely answer is simply that Burke misjudged the market and as a result was left with no one to dance with at the end of the night.

If all he said was support for his boss, then yeah, I totally agree with the grain of salt. But that wasn't all. He said the following:

"He said his goes back six or seven years for each other manager in the league and it gives them an idea of who will fold at the end of a negotiation"

This isn't supporting his boss, this is describing his own process for doing exactly what he is suggesting.

So to disregard that is to call him a liar. Are you prepared to do that?

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Beats me. Not sure why that would matter though.
You either believe that there's something to what Burke said or you think he was putting one over on the fan base.
But it seems perfectly logical to me.

Considering Burke usually wins trades I would say there is a lot to it.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

I doubt you're allowed to retain salary on a contract extension that hasn't kicked in yet. That seems like blatantly circumventing the salary cap.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Oh in that case I don't believe you can retain salary on a contract that has yet to come in effect (not 100% sure on this).

I.E. you can retain salary on Glencross' current contract, but would be unable to retain salary on an extension that would come in effect next season.

hmmmmm. well that stinks.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Sorry, why does that matter?

Just something I've noticed about CP. There will a subject that is not on anyone's radar, never talked about. Something that would likely get very mixed opinions if Ottawa or Vancouver did it. Then someone in the Flames organization will mention it and all of a sudden it's a Very Important Thing and an unchallenged truth among fans. I call it 'follow that meme.'

Some other recent examples are the enormous influence of veterans inviting rookies live with them (something no other organizations do, apparently), the lack of relevance of strength and size if you're skilled enough (though we can still express skepticism at the lack of size of other team's players) and the incredible benefits of injured rookies spending a couple months watching how pros work out (which some believe may be even more beneficial than actually playing hockey).

[heep223]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Just something I've noticed about CP. There will a subject that is not on anyone's radar, never talked about. Something that would likely get very mixed opinions if Ottawa or Vancouver did it. Then someone in the Flames organization will mention it and all of a sudden it's a Very Important Thing and an unchallenged truth among fans.

I laughed out loud when I read this because I am 100% certain that I've never seen an unchallenged truth on this forum.

Everything is debated endlessly which is how it should be. Not sure where you're getting that impression.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by heep223

I laughed out loud when I read this because I am 100% certain that I've never seen an unchallenged truth on this forum.

Edmonton is no good?

[Bar-Down]

It would be nice if the Flames could get either a 1st rounder or a top D prospect.

Something like Glencross + Beartschi for Griffin Reinhart…?

Fair?