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GioforPM · 02-22-2015, 10:47 AM

If a team thinks they can win the cup now, they might just give up a first. Which obviously would be a late one.

But it's a long shot. and if it's something less than a first, I'd like to see a prospect rather than a pick, just to take the guesswork out.

Icon · 02-22-2015, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

Duhatchek and Friedman have suggested 2nd rounder plus.

Duhatchek actually said a second round pick would be a home run return

the2bears · 02-22-2015, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Rerun

To all those people that think we can get a 1st for Glencross, and just Glencross....

I want some of that stuff you're smoking.

I don't think you need help getting "stuff" to smoke. I think it's you that needs to share

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Originally Posted by Rerun

I'd be happy if we got Jonathan Drouin out of Tampa Bay for Cammalleri... but the trade would have to happen now for it to make sense to the Lightning.

.... although the Flames might have to eat a lot of Cammy's contract for this year as the Lightning currently don't have a lot of cap room.

Jacks · 02-22-2015, 11:20 AM

I'm thinking some of you guys have never been to an auction. When multiple people want the same thing that thing regularly brings more than it's worth.

Not saying Glen is worth a 1st but it wouldn't shock me.

CliffFletcher · 02-22-2015, 11:24 AM

Just because multiple people want something doesn't mean they want it badly. I've been to auctions where everyone holds up their card at the outset and put them down again almost immediately as the price rises above the reserve bid.

In this case, the assumed reserve bid for Glencross might be a 3rd rounder. Lots of teams interested at that price. As it rises, most will back out.

Bourque's Twin · 02-22-2015, 11:29 AM

I could see late 2nd plus B prospect.

Fire · 02-22-2015, 11:34 AM

My guess on the possible return chances:

10% - 1st rounder
20% - 2nd rounder + mid-level prospect
30% - 2nd tier prospect
30% - 2nd rounder
10% - A couple of mid-range draft picks (3rd round+)

Obsidian · 02-22-2015, 11:35 AM

Looks like he wants to go some place warm that has a capable hockey team.

Plus Chicago, because they're a decent bet for a cup.

Vinny01 · 02-22-2015, 11:37 AM

With Chicago and LA on his list those are 2 teams that are in cap trouble moving forward. If Treliving can combine the assets of Glencross, cap space and maybe a prospect the perhaps the Flames can get a nice package in return?

Obsidian · 02-22-2015, 11:37 AM

Glencross is going to return more than a single pick (unless it's a first)

I'd say a 2nd or 3rd and a decent (B level) prospect that Flames mgmt have been eyeing for some time.

CliffFletcher · 02-22-2015, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

With Chicago and LA on his list those are 2 teams that are in cap trouble moving forward. If Treliving can combine the assets of Glencross, cap space and maybe a prospect the perhaps the Flames can get a nice package in return?

Any team trading for Glencross will be loading up for a Cup run. They'll worry about their cap issues in the off-season. So I don't see a match.

Vinny01 · 02-22-2015, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Any team trading for Glencross will be loading up for a Cup run. They'll worry about their cap issues in the off-season. So I don't see a match.

Might not be so easy this summer and the cost for shedding cap could be higher. Teams like LA and Chicago want to win it this year but also want to continue sustained success

Hackey · 02-22-2015, 12:35 PM

I don't know what Glencross will return but I do like the fact that there are not a lot of solid rentals on the market. This definitely helps us. At the same time I can't see a team paying that much for Glencross either. It's really too bad we didn't have Cammy available at this trade deadline. A 1st could be very realistic this go around.

Phanuthier · 02-22-2015, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Any team trading for Glencross will be loading up for a Cup run. They'll worry about their cap issues in the off-season. So I don't see a match.

I hear that every summer, and it never happens and teams still get stuck at/near the cap limit. Cap hits are huge even at the TD as you saw Hemsky/Gaborik deals had the orig team eating salary. Glencross's is obviously low and we can still eat half a cap hit, if a team like Chicago wanted to (for example) dump Bickell as well, I can definately see it helping us.

Flames in 07 · 02-22-2015, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Hackey

I don't know what Glencross will return but I do like the fact that there are not a lot of solid rentals on the market. This definitely helps us. At the same time I can't see a team paying that much for Glencross either. It's really too bad we didn't have Cammy available at this trade deadline. A 1st could be very realistic this go around.

What hurts the flames is the limited list of teams he'd go to. They can't properly shop him around and everyone knows it.

I think people will be pretty disappointed with what he's going to return.

dammage79 · 02-22-2015, 01:21 PM

5-7 teams is enough to drive up the small market.

Enoch Root · 02-22-2015, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames in 07

What hurts the flames is the limited list of teams he'd go to. They can't properly shop him around and everyone knows it.

I think people will be pretty disappointed with what he's going to return.

But... the teams on his list are all contenders. It is also possible that he expands the list. It all comes down to: how many players are available; the number of teams that really want a player; and how far down that list Glencross falls.

The trade deadline is a small market and can swing a fair amount into either buyer or seller territory.

Hackey · 02-22-2015, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames in 07

What hurts the flames is the limited list of teams he'd go to. They can't properly shop him around and everyone knows it.

I think people will be pretty disappointed with what he's going to return.

Yes and no. All depends how much those teams are interested. If you have a couple teams who really want him that might be all it takes to drive the price up a bit. I just think in general no team is going to overpay anything significant to land him. As long as a couple teams are interested though we should see fair value. If multiple teams show interest then maybe we get lucky and the price goes up.

Robbob · 02-22-2015, 01:46 PM

I could see a first rounder coming back if the flames also took an unwanted contract. Straight across I think it may be a pipe dream, but who knows what happens close to the trade deadline. We got a 2nd for berra, so who knows.

Hackey · 02-22-2015, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

If a team thinks they can win the cup now, they might just give up a first. Which obviously would be a late one.

But it's a long shot. and if it's something less than a first, I'd like to see a prospect rather than a pick, just to take the guesswork out.

I think I'm the opposite. I'd prefer a pick. There is added risk but there is also added reward. If we're taking a prospect their ceiling is likely not seen as that high. With a pick we have a chance to strike out but we also have a chance to hit a home run. If we would have had a 2nd the year we drafted Johnny there's a good chance we would have had Kucherov as well. I think we have enough of those mid level Shore/Reinhart type prospects which is likely the type of player we would be getting. Every year there are some steals in the 2nd round and I'd rather try our luck at landing one of them.