[Trade] Glencross to Washington for a 2015 2nd and 2015 3rd round pick (WSH) (Archive)

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

statement:


If you think ELCs are 'the greatest value in the nhl' then you think ELCs are more valuable than Crosby.

Pretty straightforward

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Young NHL players or prospects that are on the cusp of cracking a line-up are in my opinion far superior to draft picks (outside the first round).

Your opinion is shared by NHL GMs. Which is why prospects on the cusp of breaking into the NHL don't come cheap in trades.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Your opinion is shared by NHL GMs. Which is why prospects on the cusp of breaking into the NHL don't come cheap in trades.

Well not necessarily (see Colborne & Shore).

All I'm saying is all this talk that a second round pick is a great return for Glencross is just wrong. I would be absolutely disappointed if that's all Curtis got us in a trade since more likely than not, the player drafted with that pick won't get a whiff of the NHL.

[GettinIggyWithIt]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Well not necessarily (see Colborne & Shore).

All I'm saying is all this talk that a second round pick is a great return for Glencross is just wrong. I would be absolutely disappointed if that's all Curtis got us in a trade since more likely than not, the player drafted with that pick won't get a whiff of the NHL.

Colborne and Shore are different situations. They were prospects that were on the cusp of breaking in but the team they were with had no room. In that case it makes sense for the team to trade for a younger player in the same positions (see Clendening for Forsling), trade for a draft pick (Colborne) or trade for a young player to potentially fill a different positional need (see Shore for Knight - I'm assuming Fla thinks Knight could be a good 3/4 face-off guy even with their current depth at C).

I agree with you though - I'd prefer if the Flames got a young player in a position where we are lacking depth to a pick as well.

[GettinIggyWithIt]

It's interesting that Chicago is interested in Sekera. You would think they would have to send a dman the other way given their depth - both at the NHL and AHL level or flip a guy like Oduya or Rosival in another deal. I guess they would have to anyways with Sekera's cap hit being around 2.75 (?) mil.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by nemanja2306

MacT, is that you?

Being able to draft well OUTSIDE the first round is a must if you want to be succesfull. Look at the Red Wings (Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Tatar, Nyquist..), Bruins (Lucic, Bergeron - 2nd round, Krejci - 3rd), Tampa... And the Flames appear to be good at it as well - Brodie, Johnny, Granlund, Ortio).

Picks certainly are very important.

There's a total difference between saying overrated and unimportant. Never said they weren't important, but statistically speaking the chances of that pick ever turning into a full-time NHLer are very low and at this point I'd prefer to see us bolster our defence rather than stockpile draft picks when it comes to trading Glencross.

I'm never said they weren't important, just that I think their value is a little overrated.

[Vinny01]

Hearing more about the Hawks over the past couple of days.

This team has plenty of cap issues and I am wondering if the Flames can maximize the value on Glencross by taking a contract in return.

Bickel comes to mind he has size and a fairly big ticket $4M for 2 more years after this. He is about as good as Glencross these days and if the Falmes take the deal and the Hawks kick in a 2nd that would be great.

Sharp is another option who is less likely but if the Flames add a prospect maybe something can be worked out. I am likely out to lunch here but Sharp+Runblad for Glencross, Sven, Diaz

Glencross for Oduya also could work out

[sureLoss]

^ Hawks don't need more prospects IMO. They have a logjam of them trying to make the NHL roster. If anything they would want picks from the Flames more than prospects, buys them more time before waivers become an issue.

[GettinIggyWithIt]

Personally, I would be disappointed if we got just Oduya straight up for Glencross.

On another note - I would love to see the Hawks ship out Erixon to Carolina as part of any deal for Sekera - just to see Tom pack another suitcase.

[Vinny01]

Sounds like the Hawks fans hate Runblad. Treliving must have a good read on him from his time in Phoenix. Like many Swedes he could take a while to develop and is only 23. He would be a nice throw in in a Glencross trade obviously + coming back to Calgary in the form of a pick or roster player.

[savardandjokinen]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

You realize that Wideman has played the 3rd most short handed minutes of anyone on the team right? Why is there always someone jumping up and down to discredit Wideman.

The last sentence is so true, more points than Brodie, hasn't hurt us defensively and has played well physically, he's a big part of our success, lots of clutch goals as well.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Well not necessarily (see Colborne & Shore).

All I'm saying is all this talk that a second round pick is a great return for Glencross is just wrong. I would be absolutely disappointed if that's all Curtis got us in a trade since more likely than not, the player drafted with that pick won't get a whiff of the NHL.

Then prepare to be disappointed. Glencross is a rental. Even teams in win now are reluctant to give up solid prospects for rentals because prospects are the lifeblood of teams today.

I won't be nearly as disappointed with a 2nd rounder for Glencross as I'll be if he isn't moved and he walks in the summer for nothing.

2nd round pick >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Then prepare to be disappointed. Glencross is a rental. Even teams in win now are reluctant to give up solid prospects for rentals because prospects are the lifeblood of teams today.

I won't nearly as disappointed with a 2nd rounder for Glencross as I'll be if he isn't move and he walks in the summer for nothing.

2nd round pick >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing.

3rd round pick >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

statement:


If you think ELCs are 'the greatest value in the nhl' then you think ELCs are more valuable than Crosby.

Pretty straightforward

Take a player like Gaudreau who has 44pts this season but is only making 1.85 million. Then take Crosby who has 58pts but is making 8.7 million. Crosby $150,000 per point. Gaudreau $42,000 per point. All the poster is saying is that if you have productive players on entry level deals they are the best bang for your buck (greatest value). This is pretty obvious. Having Gaudreau on an entry level deal gives you cheap elite level scoring and allows you to spend the extra dollars in other areas. It definitely makes constructing a contender a lot easier.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

There's a total difference between saying overrated and unimportant. Never said they weren't important, but statistically speaking the chances of that pick ever turning into a full-time NHLer are very low and at this point I'd prefer to see us bolster our defence rather than stockpile draft picks when it comes to trading Glencross.

I'm never said they weren't important, just that I think their value is a little overrated.

A team who isn't able to draft well outside of the 1st round isn't winning anything. It is vital to building a champion. Strong drafting outside of the 1st round is equally or more important than drafting well in the 1st round. Without either your not going to be an elite team. Drafting outside the 1st round is a lot tougher which is why teams stockpile picks to increase their odds.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Well not necessarily (see Colborne & Shore).

All I'm saying is all this talk that a second round pick is a great return for Glencross is just wrong. I would be absolutely disappointed if that's all Curtis got us in a trade since more likely than not, the player drafted with that pick won't get a whiff of the NHL.

Disagree a lot with this post. 2nd round picks are great currency at the draft to improve the team. 2 2nds got Boychuk and the Flames can use it in a trade with a cap strapped team at the deadline.

[Vinny01]

Flames blogger on Hockeybuzz thinks Glencross will be traded to the Bruins for Eriksson in a cap dump/change of scenery move.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Sounds like the Hawks fans hate Runblad. Treliving must have a good read on him from his time in Phoenix. Like many Swedes he could take a while to develop and is only 23. He would be a nice throw in in a Glencross trade obviously + coming back to Calgary in the form of a pick or roster player.

There is a reason why Hawk fans hate him, he is beyond terrible! No way in hell I touch Runblad for anything. He makes Engelland look like Drew Doughty. Seriously, he is really terrible!

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Flames blogger on Hockeybuzz thinks Glencross will be traded to the Bruins for Eriksson in a cap dump/change of scenery move.

That would be excellent, do it up.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Well not necessarily (see Colborne & Shore).

All I'm saying is all this talk that a second round pick is a great return for Glencross is just wrong. I would be absolutely disappointed if that's all Curtis got us in a trade since more likely than not, the player drafted with that pick won't get a whiff of the NHL.

Our recent 2nd round picks. Granlund, Wotherspoon, Sieloff, McDonald, Smith. Seems like a pretty good group to me. I'd gladly take any of them over 20-30 more games of Curtis Glencross.