[Trade] Glencross to Washington for a 2015 2nd and 2015 3rd round pick (WSH) (Archive)

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Doesn't sound like it.

Burke was on Jack FM this afternoon and said the Flames had asked Glencross for what type of contract he was looking at.

Burke said the numbers were something he could not recommend for the Flames.

Burke was also careful to say he didn't necessarily think the numbers were outrageous or something that Glencross wouldn't necessarily get as an UFA on July 1st.


The implication is that the Flames and Glencross aren't even in the same ballpark given that there haven't been any contract talks for a while.

I read it the same way.

I suspect Glencross wants to be paid like a 1st or 2nd line LW and the Flames see that spot going to Gaudreau. He thinks he will get that as a UFA and is willing to take the chance.

I suspect the Flames want to pay him like a 3rd line LW and are not prepared to go any higher and willing to take the chance to move on.

I will also say that the contract talks seem to have affected Glencross' play more than what I can recall it doing to other players in past years. I think his desire to stay is strong.

[Rerun]

If anybody on here thinks we will get a 1st round pick for Glencross, I think you're dreaming. I think we'll be extremely lucky to get a 2nd and more likely to get a 3rd or lower for a 2 month rental for a player of Glencross's caliber.

FYI....

Trades for draft picks completed prior to the 2014 trade deadline..


· Calgary traded G Reto Berra to Colorado for Colorado's 2nd-round pick in the 2014 NHL Draft.
· Calgary traded RW Lee Stempniak to Pittsburgh for Pittsburgh's 3rd-round pic.
· Edmonton traded D Nick Schultz to Columbus for Columbus 5th-round pick in the 2014 NHL Draft.
· Edmonton traded RW Ales Hemsky to Ottawa for Ottawa's 5th-round pick in the 2014 NHL Draft and 3rd-round pick in 2015k in the 2014 NHL Draft.
· Florida traded C Marcel Goc to Pittsburgh for Pittsburgh's 5th-round pick in the 2014 NHL Draft and 3rd-round pick in 2015.
· Nashville traded G Devan Dubynk to Montreal for future considerations.
· Philadelphia traded D Andrej Meszaros to Boston for Boston's 3rd-round pick in the 2014 NHL Draft.
· San Jose traded RW James Livingston to Los Angeles for a conditional pick in the 2016 NHL Draft.
· Vancouver traded D Raphael Diaz to NY Rangers for NY Rangers' 5th-round pick in the 2015 NHL Draft.

Trades for both players and draft picks prior to the 2014 trade deadline..

• Buffalo traded LW Matt Moulson and C Cody McCormick to Minnesota for C Torrey Mitchell, Winnipeg's 2nd-round pick in the 2014 NHL Draft (previously acquired) and Minnesota's 2nd-round pick in 2016.
• Buffalo traded G Jaroslav Halak and its 3rd-round pick in the 2015 NHL Draft to Washington for G Michal Neuvirth and D Rostislav Klesla.
• Carolina traded RW Tuomo Ruutu to New Jersey for C Andrei Loktionov and a conditional draft pick.
• Columbus traded RW Marian Gaborik to Los Angeles for RW Matt Frattin, Toronto's 2nd-round pick in the 2014 or 2015 Entry Draft (previously acquired) and a conditional draft pick.
• Montreal traded RW Sebastian Collberg and a conditional pick in the 2014 NHL Draft to NY Islanders for LW Thomas Vanek and a conditional pick in 2014.
• Nashville traded C David Legwand to Detroit for RW Patrick Eaves, C Calle Jarnkrok and a conditional pick in the 2014 NHL Draft.
• NY Rangers traded RW Ryan Callahan, a conditional pick in the 2014 NHL Draft and their 1st-round pick in 2015 to Tampa Bay for RW Martin St. Louis.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Are you nuts?

If you followed the advice of 'respected hockey writers' your team would be folded and moved to Vegas before you could say 'advanced stats'

What I meant is if duhatschek says a second is a reasonable return let's take that into consideration as it's probably in tune with what the market is for glencross. People trying to get DSP for Glencross aren't being realistic in expectations.

Lots of disappointment last year after the cammy non trade. People expecting an a level prospect for glencross will probably be disappointed a second straight year.

[868904]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

The guy has scored 85 goals in 273 games the last 5 seasons. That is a 25 goal pace.

Why are we trading this guy?!?

Because he has lost his spot to younger payers and because the flames and most fans don't want to lock him up on a big money long term deal.

If Glencross is willing to sign a one year deal at $5 million, I bet the flames might consider that, but it's about the push from the young kids and keeping cap space available for the future which they will need if everything goes according to plan.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

The guy has scored 85 goals in 273 games the last 5 seasons. That is a 25 goal pace.

Why are we trading this guy?!?

Because we don't want to give a significant raise and term to a player who, statistically speaking, will see his output diminish over the duration of the contract?

[N-E-B]

Outside of the first round, draft picks are the most overrated asset in hockey. I'd be disappointed if all we got was a 2nd round pick. I'd prefer to make a hockey trade and get a depth defenseman, but someone with a bit of term and not a rental.

[dying4acup]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Outside of the first round, draft picks are the most overrated asset in hockey. I'd be disappointed if all we got was a 2nd round pick. I'd prefer to make a hockey trade and get a depth defenseman, but someone with a bit of term and not a rental.

While that might be true, players on their ELC are the GREATEST VALUE IN THE NHL.

The idea of keeping an 18yr old in the NHL without justification (ala edmonton) is the biggest sin.

[nemanja2306]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Outside of the first round, draft picks are the most overrated asset in hockey. I'd be disappointed if all we got was a 2nd round pick. I'd prefer to make a hockey trade and get a depth defenseman, but someone with a bit of term and not a rental.

MacT, is that you?

Being able to draft well OUTSIDE the first round is a must if you want to be succesfull. Look at the Red Wings (Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Tatar, Nyquist..), Bruins (Lucic, Bergeron - 2nd round, Krejci - 3rd), Tampa... And the Flames appear to be good at it as well - Brodie, Johnny, Granlund, Ortio).

Picks certainly are very important.

[gunnner]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Outside of the first round, draft picks are the most overrated asset in hockey. I'd be disappointed if all we got was a 2nd round pick. I'd prefer to make a hockey trade and get a depth defenseman, but someone with a bit of term and not a rental.

What an absolutely, positively, atrociously ridiculous statement. I think stockpiling picks, drafting well, and developing players has never been more important in the history of the NHL than it is today. Look at how unimportant free agency has become, most FA deals seem to backfire and turn into anchor contracts these days.

Rant over, Ill disappear again until Iginla is officially eliminated.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by gunnner

What an absolutely, positively, atrociously ridiculous statement. I think stockpiling picks, drafting well, and developing players has never been more important in the history of the NHL than it is today. Look at how unimportant free agency has become, most FA deals seem to backfire and turn into anchor contracts these days.

Rant over, Ill disappear again until Iginla is officially eliminated.

What does that mean?

[Rick M.]

Good drafting is a must in the salary cap era. You need young cheap talent entering your NHL team and drafting is the way to get it.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Outside of the first round, draft picks are the most overrated asset in hockey. I'd be disappointed if all we got was a 2nd round pick. I'd prefer to make a hockey trade and get a depth defenseman, but someone with a bit of term and not a rental.

Absolutely! I imagine that Treliving has been overwhelmed by offers of NHL depth defensemen (with a year or more left on their contracts) from playoff contenders (after all these really are the only teams that would be interested in Glencross who only has a couple of months left on his contract).

Come on Treliving! Just pick one! Make that trade!

[Madrox]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Outside of the first round, draft picks are the most overrated asset in hockey. I'd be disappointed if all we got was a 2nd round pick. I'd prefer to make a hockey trade and get a depth defenseman, but someone with a bit of term and not a rental.

I'd be shocked if we got much better than a second. I think the market for Glencross is, optimistically, a second and a project prospect. Realistically at this point he's a 3rd line player, and while he might work his way back into a top six, he's not there right now.

[Madrox]

Originally Posted by gunnner

Rant over, Ill disappear again until Iginla is officially eliminated.

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

What does that mean?

He'll be back next week.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dying4acup

While that might be true, players on their ELC are the GREATEST VALUE IN THE NHL.

The idea of keeping an 18yr old in the NHL without justification (ala edmonton) is the biggest sin.

Perfect example of what N-E-B was getting at.

Players on ELCs are vital to having a great team in a cap world, of course.

But they are not the GREATEST VALUE IN THE NHL. Star players are the greatest value.

According to your silly post, the Penguins should trade Crosby because they could probably get back TWO guys on their ELCs!

Pretty sure Kane and Toews are more valuable than any stud ELC they could add to the lineup.

If you don't have the star players to be a contender, your ELC contracts just make you another rebuilding team.


This is what N-E-B was saying - not that picks aren't important, but that fans have gone wildly overboard with respect to picks and youth.

People seem to value picks and youth so highly now that they have eclipsed the stars as the most important assets (in their eyes). Pretty sure its better to be the best team than it is to have a bunch of picks and young players that give you a CHANCE at being the best sometime in the future.

[sureLoss]

Chris Kuc @ChrisKuc
Source says #Blackhawks are looking at Hurricanes' Andrej Sekera and Flames' Curtis Glencross as possible trade targets.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Perfect example of what N-E-B was getting at.

Players on ELCs are vital to having a great team in a cap world, of course.

But they are not the GREATEST VALUE IN THE NHL. Star players are the greatest value.

According to your silly post, the Penguins should trade Crosby because they could probably get back TWO guys on their ELCs!

Pretty sure Kane and Toews are more valuable than any stud ELC they could add to the lineup.

If you don't have the star players to be a contender, your ELC contracts just make you another rebuilding team.


This is what N-E-B was saying - not that picks aren't important, but that fans have gone wildly overboard with respect to picks and youth.

People seem to value picks and youth so highly now that they have eclipsed the stars as the most important assets (in their eyes). Pretty sure its better to be the best team than it is to have a bunch of picks and young players that give you a CHANCE at being the best sometime in the future.

^When you can't make a rational argument, misrepresent and fabricate.

Who/where are these groups of fans that would trade Crosby for picks or entry level players?

Show them to us.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

^When you can't make a rational argument, misrepresent and fabricate.

Who/where are these groups of fans that would trade Crosby for picks or entry level players?

Show them to us.

statement:

Originally Posted by dying4acup

While that might be true, players on their ELC are the GREATEST VALUE IN THE NHL.

The idea of keeping an 18yr old in the NHL without justification (ala edmonton) is the biggest sin.

If you think ELCs are 'the greatest value in the nhl' then you think ELCs are more valuable than Crosby.

Pretty straightforward

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Chris Kuc @ChrisKuc
Source says #Blackhawks are looking at Hurricanes' Andrej Sekera and Flames' Curtis Glencross as possible trade targets.

We'll take Stephen Johns off your hands Chicago, no problem.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by dying4acup

While that might be true, players on their ELC are the GREATEST VALUE IN THE NHL.

The idea of keeping an 18yr old in the NHL without justification (ala edmonton) is the biggest sin.

Originally Posted by nemanja2306

MacT, is that you?

Being able to draft well OUTSIDE the first round is a must if you want to be succesfull. Look at the Red Wings (Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Tatar, Nyquist..), Bruins (Lucic, Bergeron - 2nd round, Krejci - 3rd), Tampa... And the Flames appear to be good at it as well - Brodie, Johnny, Granlund, Ortio).

Picks certainly are very important.

Originally Posted by gunnner

What an absolutely, positively, atrociously ridiculous statement. I think stockpiling picks, drafting well, and developing players has never been more important in the history of the NHL than it is today. Look at how unimportant free agency has become, most FA deals seem to backfire and turn into anchor contracts these days.

Rant over, Ill disappear again until Iginla is officially eliminated.

Yes fans do get way too excited over picks. It doesn't matter if your team is the Red Wings, Oilers, Kings, or Flames, any guy drafted outside of the first round is more likely than not never going to be an impact NHLer.

That's just the way it is. Obviously because it's a crap shoot, it's better to throw more darts at the board so to speak, but there's nothing guaranteeing you'll get a bullseye with any of your picks.

Young NHL players or prospects that are on the cusp of cracking a line-up are in my opinion far superior to draft picks (outside the first round).