[Trade] Glencross to Washington for a 2015 2nd and 2015 3rd round pick (WSH) (Archive)

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

These same "fans" are going to be trashing Giordano, Monahan, Gaudreau, etc., and trying to run them out of town soon enough as well.

Running out of town? Nothing anyone posts on this forum has any effect whatsoever on roster decisions and player movement. Short of throwing cups of beer at the guy or jeering his family at the mall, fans can't run a player out of town.

I know part of being a fan is feeling connected to the team. But I also hope most fans recognize that's just a feeling they give themselves, and not an actual thing. These guys are professional athletes. Nothing we say or feel has any tangible effect on their game or on their careers.

If the time comes when it's smart for the franchise to move Gio or Monahan I'll cheerfully support such a move. I must have seen over 300 players wear the Flames jersey by now. Players come and go. What matters is the jersey and winning.

[remember2004]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Running out of town? Nothing anyone posts on this forum has any effect whatsoever on roster decisions and player movement. Short of throwing cups of beer at the guy or jeering his family at the mall, fans can't run a player out of town.

I know part of being a fan is feeling connected to the team. But I also hope most fans recognize that's just a feeling they give themselves, and not an actual thing. These guys are professional athletes. Nothing we say or feel has any tangible effect on their game or on their careers.

If the time comes when it's smart for the franchise to move Gio or Monahan I'll cheerfully support such a move. I must have seen over 300 players wear the Flames jersey by now. Players come and go. What matters is the jersey and winning.

Exactly, either way like you said they're professionals they wouldn't give a rats ass if fans didn't like them their making millions while were here paying to watch them make millions. Well I wouldn't say not care completely, but they wouldn't let it affect their decision to play/make money. Moving Glenny would just be smart asset management instead of losing him for nothing in the summer.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I wonder with LA's resurgence would Glencross waive for them?

Glencross, Engellend for Richards (retain $1M) and LA's 1st?

Ok so the first is for taking Richards, and Engelland we're throwing in to get rid of some salary.

What are we getting for Glencross? You forgot to include the Glencross return.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

There are a few questions raised regarding Glencross asking to be traded. Why would he ask? If the guy likes playing in Alberta and the Flames are as promising as they've been since he's arrived, why would he ask to move?

If he did actually ask to be traded, the only decent reason I can think of is that the Flames won't give him the contract he wants and he'd like to try out another team before signing with them in the off-season.

But if this 10+ teams being interested jargon is real, that's exciting. The Flames could realistically get a B level Defense prospect + 2nd round pick for Glencross.

[remember2004]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

There are a few questions raised regarding Glencross asking to be traded. Why would he ask? If the guy likes playing in Alberta and the Flames are as promising as they've been since he's arrived, why would he ask to move?

If he did actually ask to be traded, the only decent reason I can think of is that the Flames won't give him the contract he wants and he'd like to try out another team before signing with them in the off-season.

But if this 10+ teams being interested jargon is real, that's exciting. The Flames could realistically get a B level Defense prospect + 2nd round pick for Glencross.

From what I know Curtis didn't ask for a trade but tiwas Treliving who went up to him. I don't blame Glenny either, he wants to win a cup and wants to get paid and he's not getting either with Calgary. He already took a hometown discount the first time and he's not going to do it again.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by remember2004

From what I know Curtis didn't ask for a trade but tiwas Treliving who went up to him. I don't blame Glenny either, he wants to win a cup and wants to get paid and he's not getting either with Calgary. He already took a hometown discount the first time and he's not going to do it again.

I suppose Curtis took less money, a home tome discount of sorts but lost in all this (I think) is that the only reason Glencross got the currently pesky No-Movement Clause is because he took less. It's a trade off.

Also, this thread is getting unbearable. When you have one poster, the king of ending posts suggesting anyone is a moron or has issues if they disagree with him, getting upset at someone else for doing it, you know you've jumped the proverbial shark.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Friedman also said Chicago is interesed about Glencross and he would waive for the Blackhawks;

http://www.nicholsonhockey.com/worth...lencross-trade

Chicago seems set on adding a bottom pairing dman with their limited cap space. Sportak also lists them as a long shot. Glencross might want to go there but is there room?

http://m.calgarysun.com/2015/02/20/c...he-stanley-cup

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Chicago seems set on adding a bottom pairing dman with their limited cap space. Sportak also lists them as a long shot. Glencross might want to go there but is there room?

They'd have to send back a lot of salary to make room. Kane or Toews?

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I suppose Curtis took less money, a home tome discount of sorts but lost in all this (I think) is that the only reason Glencross got the currently pesky No-Movement Clause is because he took less. It's a trade off.

Also, this thread is getting unbearable. When you have one poster, the king of ending posts suggesting anyone is a moron or has issues if they disagree with him, getting upset at someone else for doing it, you know you've jumped the proverbial shark.

Hmm.. Strong disagree with the trade off part. For the last 4 years Glencross has been regarded with having a top 3 best value contract in the league. Lots of players get a NTC or NMC. They don't usually take a 50% pay cut for it though..

For the amount of GM's that are potentially interested in Glencross, there are exponentially more fans of other teams that have wanted him for years.

P.S - Strongly agree with the second part..

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Burke indicated on Jack FM this morning that the Flames went to Glencross' agent to talk extension, and the numbers did not work for the Flames. He indicated that those numbers might work for another team in the summer, but not for the Flames. The conversation did not go any further throughout the season. As a result, Treliving asked for a list for trade potential, and it sounds like Glencross complied, starting with a list of one and since expanding.
I think everyone is treating the situation very professionally. Too bad it made it in the media, but Glencross was just answering a direct question, so I don't killl him for that.
Should be win-win, if the Flames can extract some value, and Glencross gets a legitimate shot at the cup.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Running out of town? Nothing anyone posts on this forum has any effect whatsoever on roster decisions and player movement. Short of throwing cups of beer at the guy or jeering his family at the mall, fans can't run a player out of town.

I know part of being a fan is feeling connected to the team. But I also hope most fans recognize that's just a feeling they give themselves, and not an actual thing. These guys are professional athletes. Nothing we say or feel has any tangible effect on their game or on their careers.

If the time comes when it's smart for the franchise to move Gio or Monahan I'll cheerfully support such a move. I must have seen over 300 players wear the Flames jersey by now. Players come and go. What matters is the jersey and winning.

Maybe we can't run players out of town, but I can clearly impact the score of the game by watching or not watching. They'll go long stretches not scoring with me watching, and so I decide to turn the TV off because obviously I'm shooting bad luck through the TV to the team. When they then score, this is not coincidence.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

They'd have to send back a lot of salary to make room. Kane or Toews?

Tongue in cheek I know but that's the rub. Teams that want to add glencross don't have room and don't want to subtract in order to make the deal happen. Nothing toxic from Chicago that we could take back, agree with Sportak that Chicago is unlikely.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Hmm.. Strong disagree with the trade off part. For the last 4 years Glencross has been regarded with having a top 3 best value contract in the league. Lots of players get a NTC or NMC. They don't usually take a 50% pay cut for it though..

Not sure what the percentage is but non-stars like Glencross get those because they take less. Was it 50%, probably not but I'm sure it was a decent amount.

Top players get No Trade/No Move because they're top players, others get it when they give it something else.

[nemanja2306]

It's also worth noting that he expanded his list after Treliving asked. He could have just as easily insisted on being traded to the Ducks, and where would that leave us as far our position in the trade negotiations? He seems like a stand up dude.

He handled this NTC thing much better than someone else.

[Vinny01]

Hawks are in cap jail so hopefully the flames can get some value if they take back a big contract.

Hawks likely need to move Sharp or Bickell this offseason

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Burke indicated on Jack FM this morning that the Flames went to Glencross' agent to talk extension, and the numbers did not work for the Flames. He indicated that those numbers might work for another team in the summer, but not for the Flames. The conversation did not go any further throughout the season. As a result, Treliving asked for a list for trade potential, and it sounds like Glencross complied, starting with a list of one and since expanding.
I think everyone is treating the situation very professionally. Too bad it made it in the media, but Glencross was just answering a direct question, so I don't killl him for that.
Should be win-win, if the Flames can extract some value, and Glencross gets a legitimate shot at the cup.

Great post. Just shows how much the media can get under the players' skin. It's been getting out of hand in other sports lately too.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by nemanja2306

It's also worth noting that he expanded his list after Treliving asked. He could have just as easily insisted on being traded to the Ducks, and where would that leave us as far our position in the trade negotiations? He seems like a stand up dude.

He handled this NTC thing much better than someone else.

With the team in a playoff race holding on to Glencross wouldn't be the worst thing so no way they are forced to move him to the Ducks. Since Glennie wants to get paid he needed to expand that list. He is an effective 3rd liner that can move up in the lineup so if the Ducks dangle a 3rd the Flames can easily hold onto Glencross because he will help this season

[FlamesAddiction]

I agree with those that are saying Glencross seems to be getting too much flack from some fans. I think he deserves more respect.

It's true that he seems to have some effort issues at times, but I think he plays banged up a lot as well.

Whatever happens, I wish him all the best.

[Burke Salad]

Anyone know if Montreal is on his list, seems like he would be a good fit there?

[sureLoss]

So far the only reported teams on his list are Anaheim and Chicago.

Friedman has his doubts as to whether the Penguins are on the list.