[Trade] Glencross to Washington for a 2015 2nd and 2015 3rd round pick (WSH) (Archive)

[Resolute 14]

Just as a general thought, between both this case and Jokinen's comments in Toronto... We all lament how players go for the cliched answers rather than be honest in interview. Then we all get upset when the players are honest because what we really wanted was the cliche.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by nemanja2306

What a strange post. How did he not take a discount? He could have easily gotten $4M+ last time. He left at least 6M on the table.

Yes but people tend to forget that he took the discount out of convenience to stay close to home. Staring at the possibility of a big payday and staying close to home he decided on the latter and now he says it's an "unfortunate situation"? He has nobody to blame but himself if he really believes that.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Just as a general thought, between both this case and Jokinen's comments in Toronto... We all lament how players go for the cliched answers rather than be honest in interview. Then we all get upset when the players are honest because what we really wanted was the cliche.

You are right but in this case we are Flames fans and more concerned about the team's success this season over Glencross's feelings. The Leafs are going nowhere this season so Jokinen's comments have no bearing but the Flames are in a playoff race. Glencross's comments are more typical of an NFL or NBA player not NHL player but as you say people have complained about NHL players being boring interviews. In this case though Glencross kind of came out and showed some bitterness and frustration which is fine but ultimately he's probably going to regret the way he left the team.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yes but people tend to forget that he took the discount out of convenience to stay close to home. Staring at the possibility of a big payday and staying close to home he decided on the latter and now he says it's an "unfortunate situation"? He has nobody to blame but himself if he really believes that.

I don't think people tend to forget why Glencross chose to take a discount. But even if they do, I really don't see how one can possibly spin it as negatively as you do here. You are actually using the fact that he wanted to stay here to trash his character. That he feels he is in an "unfortunate situation" right now also has no relevance to his decision to sign at a discount four years ago.

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You are right but in this case we are Flames fans and more concerned about the team's success this season over Glencross's feelings. The Leafs are going nowhere this season so Jokinen's comments have no bearing but the Flames are in a playoff race. Glencross's comments are more typical of an NFL or NBA player not NHL player but as you say people have complained about NHL players being boring interviews. In this case though Glencross kind of came out and showed some bitterness and frustration which is fine but ultimately he's probably going to regret the way he left the team.

Oh, I get it. But we as Flames fans are also applying disproportionate weight to his comments and inventing demons that don't exist. I would bet of 23 players in that locker room, 23 want more ice time and probably three quarters feel they can give more if given more. Glencross' comments aren't going to unbalance or upset the team chemistry - certainly no more than actually moving him would.

But this is all why we lie to oursleves when we say we want more open answers from players. What we really want is to maintain the illusion that 23 players in a locker room all think the same way, act the same way and are all happy little soldier bees. We want to remain in ignorance, so much so that when a guy shows the slightest hint of independent thought, people lose their minds.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I don't think people tend to forget why Glencross chose to take a discount. But even if they do, I really don't see how one can possibly spin it as negatively as you do here. You are actually using the fact that he wanted to stay here to trash his character. That he feels he is in an "unfortunate situation" right now also has no relevance to his decision to sign at a discount four years ago.

I'm not trashing his character. I'm just saying he made a decision to stay close to home out of convenience and coming out in the media and saying he took a discount as a favor to the Flames so they could sign other players is a little disingenuous. Even when he leaves I will still appreciate the player for what he did for the team but you only have to look at the end of Kipper and Iginla's tenures to see that things can be handled better.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Oh, I get it. But we as Flames fans are also applying disproportionate weight to his comments and inventing demons that don't exist. I would bet of 23 players in that locker room, 23 want more ice time and probably three quarters feel they can give more if given more. Glencross' comments aren't going to unbalance or upset the team chemistry - certainly no more than actually moving him would.

But this is all why we lie to oursleves when we say we want more open answers from players. What we really want is to maintain the illusion that 23 players in a locker room all think the same way, act the same way and are all happy little soldier bees. We want to remain in ignorance, so much so that when a guy shows the slightest hint of independent thought, people lose their minds.

Well then look at the comment I made in Bingo's thread if he should play or sit tonight as I'm pretty sure that his teammates knew the situation a long time ago. My issue is that as you say 23 players may feel the same way but only one guy is coming out in public rather than keeping it inside. At the end of the day being a good teammate is more important than being a good media quote.

[killer_carlson]

I also don't know where this "Glencross is slow" angle is coming from.

He's always been the fastest or one of the fastest flames. His game is about speed. His best years came when he was playing with the Flames' fastest skating center we've had in during his time here (Jokinen). Glencross could attack at full pace from the left wing.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Well then look at the comment I made in Bingo's thread if he should play or sit tonight as I'm pretty sure that his teammates knew the situation a long time ago. My issue is that as you say 23 players may feel the same way but only one guy is coming out in public rather than keeping it inside. At the end of the day being a good teammate is more important than being a good media quote.

Yeah, I saw your other comment. I wasn't pointing at you with my response there, which is why I was using the collective we. I just find it funny how hockey fans both want and hate uniqueness. I even include myself in that list... I still think a Lightning player should gave gone Hunter-on-Turgeon on Ovechkin when he did his "stick on fire" taunt back in the day.

As far as coming out in public goes, it was an honest answer to a direct question. And it is only a footnote in an interview that is being disproportionately dissected when the important information to come out of that interview is the fact that it is the team that has decided Glencross is replaceable.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

While Glencross' goal production has gone down, I am rather curious to know what makes you think that a guy who is fourth among forwards in team scoring is not a top-six forward for this team.

A guy like Glencross, who is a career 2nd-liner who likes to think of himself as a first-liner, should be performing like Jiri Hudler (or like Cammy last year) on this young team. He should be amongst our best scorers period if he wants to be treated liked one.

To me a guy who is 11th in goals and 7th overall in points (and probably soon to be passed by Bouma and Jones) on this team, is not someone I consider performing like a legitimate Top-6 guy anymore. His role has changed on this team exactly because he hasn't performed in the role, and it's clear that he has to adjust expectations too.

[sureLoss]

Friedman updates:

teams that have asked about Glencross is in double digits, would guess half the league at some point expressed interest in Glencross
Flames may wait for Glencross to expand his list furher
Pens are among the desperate teams, but Friedman is not convinced they are on Glencross' list

Treliving is trying to create an auction
if you can get a 2nd round pick + prospect for Glencross that is a good trade, anything more you will get really excited

[killer_carlson]

I suspect every playoff team would be inquiring about him.

Fast, 2 way, gritty, can score, low cost contract, UFA.

The perfect rental.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Friedman updates:

teams that have asked about Glencross is in double digits, would guess half the league at some point expressed interest in Glencross
Flames may wait for Glencross to expand his list furher
Pens are among the desperate teams, but Friedman is not convinced they are on Glencross' list

Would have thought Pitt would be high on glencross list. Wonder with impending birth if the list is all western teams in playoff hunt?

[Vinny01]

I wonder with LA's resurgence would Glencross waive for them?

Glencross, Engellend for Richards (retain $1M) and LA's 1st?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I wonder with LA's resurgence would Glencross waive for them?

Glencross, Engellend for Richards (retain $1M) and LA's 1st?

Holy crap is that bad. Eat a massive long-term contract and create a hole on the blueline to get a first round pick in the 15-20 range? Ouch.

[nemanja2306]

Is his contract going to be prorated or are teams acquring his full $2.5M? Because at $1.25M, he does have good trade value.

[killer_carlson]

pro rated.

He's a steal at this point.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Table 5

A guy like Glencross, who is a career 2nd-liner who likes to think of himself as a first-liner, should be performing like Jiri Hudler (or like Cammy last year) on this young team. He should be amongst our best scorers period if he wants to be treated liked one.

To me a guy who is 11th in goals and 7th overall in points (and probably soon to be passed by Bouma and Jones) on this team, is not someone I consider performing like a legitimate Top-6 guy anymore. His role has changed on this team exactly because he hasn't performed in the role, and it's clear that he has to adjust expectations too.

If you want to discuss whether Glencross is a top-six forward for this team, don't include the defencemen to try and make his scoring rate appear worse than it is relative to other forwards. It is disingenuous.

Also, you are conflating his play post-injury - which has been admittedly poor - ant his play pre-injury. He was near a career high points pace before his injury. He was most certainly a top-six player for this team. Right now he is struggling, and right now Hartley has to make moves to make the best of what he has got. I suspect that Glencross knows this, but you can't really be surprised if he still wants to be the guy. I would be more worried if he was honestly happy about having a declining role with the team.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by New Era

Holy crap is that bad. Eat a massive long-term contract and create a hole on the blueline to get a first round pick in the 15-20 range? Ouch.

Try 20-25 range. And god no. Richards is a boat anchor whose contract would weigh this team down for a decade. This isn't even an "our crap for their gold" proposal. It was "our crap for a bigger pile of crap".

[Coach]

Also surprised Pitt isn't claimed to be on the list. He'd be a good fit there.

[sureLoss]

Friedman also said Chicago is interesed about Glencross and he would waive for the Blackhawks;

http://www.nicholsonhockey.com/worth...lencross-trade

As part of a larger discussion on Curtis Glencross, and cap implications of a trade today versus right before March 2:

“One of the teams that I believe is interested in Glencross – and he is interested in them – is the Chicago Blackhawks. The thing about Chicago is I’ve heard they also talked to Arizona a bit about Vermette. And I look at Vermette’s cap hit, which is larger than Glencross’s, and I’m like, ‘How on earth are they going to be able to pull that off if they really want to do it?’

“And the answer is that you wait until the absolute last minute. The way the cap works is that every day you’re under the cap, you bank the amount of money that you’re under the cap. And it adds up. So the more you’re under the cap for a longer time, the more bank you have to acquire a player.

“So what the Chicago Blackhawks want to do, if they can, is wait until the last minute – therefore have the most cap space they possibly can to be available – and then go out and get the player that they want to get if they decide to do it.

“I think with a team like Chicago, they will try to wait until the end. Now, you’re playing a game like that because you’re playing a game that A) Calgary doesn’t get an offer it wants beforehand, and B) you’re going to wait at the end and have what Calgary wants to make the deal.

“I’m sure, if Chicago and Calgary are serious about it, and I believe they are legitimately serious about it, then they’ve talked and said, ‘This is what we can offer.’ And the Flames know if that’s acceptable to them or not.

“But what people do in that situation is they will say, ‘Can you wait? Can we do this as late as possible so we have the flexibility to get it done.’

“And they leave it in Calgary’s hands.”