[Trade] Glencross to Washington for a 2015 2nd and 2015 3rd round pick (WSH) (Archive)

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Red Menace

Still find it hard to believe that people are defending Burke letting Cammi go for nothing last year.
Any GM should have multiple options in place....he should have told the team he was dealing with that the deal had to be done 10-15 minutes before deadline or he would move on top option B, C, D, etc.
Find it very hard to believe he couldn't have gotten at least a 2nd for Cammi from someone...he put his eggs all in one basket, and then dropped the basket....

Point taken.. but how do you know Burke didn't go through option B, C, D all the way through Z? This past deadline was a very different beast than in year's past. Gillies screwed it up with Kesler and having teams wait for him. Snow didn't make a move until very late before the deadline. There were teams waiting for those shoes to drop first. He could very well have exhausted all avenues. All we know is the best offer was a 3rd round pick.

[Red Menace]

You flip him for picks and perhaps use those picks to get a Defencman, the team addresses its more pressing needs (D), has plenty of LW replacements for him, and doesn't lose out in net picks/prospects...

[simmer2]

Brian Dumoulin for Curtis Glencross...it's a good fit for everyone.

Flames send a conditional 2nd rounder if Pittsburgh can't re-sign Glencross.

That's my Armchair GM approach.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

Flipping him for a pick that will likely never play in the NHL is silly. What if we lose someone to injury.

We are still rebuilding despite our success. That success could evaporate next year as there are too many question marks with the roster, just like the Avalanche this year. With the quality of the prospect pool and how they have been picking lately, I would try to get as many picks as possible. Looking at the four picks in the top 65 that the Flames had last year, all four have been great this year (Bennett did make the team before getting surgery).

This draft is a fairly deep one with some talented guys extending into the 3rd round. Getting a top 90 pick for Glencross would probably get us someone in the range of Hickey. That's good.

We also have about 6 guys that could step into Glencross' spot right now without much if any decline in production. If injuries occur, then we still would have 5 guys remaining to draw from.

[The_Future]

Also people wanting to trade Glencross for a pick. We are a playoff team as it stands. Why would you make a move that doesn't improve this team NOW, while not jeopardizing the future. The only way I trade Glencross is for a roster player that can benefit us now, and down the road. As it is a rental player situation, who is willing to give up a beneficial roster piece to add Curtis?

I say we don't trade him, we need him for the playoffs. He can use the playoffs to up his value, and if he walks, he walks. At least we go into the playoffs with all of our weapons.

[Red Menace]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Point taken.. but how do you know Burke didn't go through option B, C, D all the way through Z? This past deadline was a very different beast than in year's past. Gillies screwed it up with Kesler and having teams wait for him. Snow didn't make a move until very late before the deadline. There were teams waiting for those shoes to drop first. He could very well have exhausted all avenues. All we know is the best offer was a 3rd round pick.

My understanding (and I could certainly be wrong) was that Burke had a deal in place with a single team and waited right up to the end before they backed out...then he had no time left to properly shop Cammi to the rest of the league (and many teams had already traded for similar UFAs by that point.
My point is he should have figured this out hours if not days before and had a contingency plan in place....He mismanaged the situation.
Fantastic that he got a 2nd for Berra to sorta make up for it....but it doesn't erase his poor handling of the situation in my opinion.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Even if he did, that doesn't change the fact that Iginla isn't a passer.

This is sheer nonsense. Passing is one of the most under-rated parts of Iginla's game. He's always been able to set up plays and dish great passes. We saw that the year he played with Cammalerri and all through out his career.

Iginla was / is a great passer.

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

We are still rebuilding despite our success. That success could evaporate next year as there are too many question marks with the roster, just like the Avalanche this year. With the quality of the prospect pool and how they have been picking lately, I would try to get as many picks as possible. Looking at the four picks in the top 65 that the Flames had last year, all four have been great this year (Bennett did make the team before getting surgery).

This draft is a fairly deep one with some talented guys extending into the 3rd round. Getting a top 90 pick for Glencross would probably get us someone in the range of Hickey. That's good.

We also have about 6 guys that could step into Glencross' spot right now without much if any decline in current production. If injuries occur, then we still would have 5 guys remaining to draw from.

FYP - GlenX isn't a career 6 goal per year player, if he was, I wouldn't depreciate my keyboard.

[The_Future]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

We also have about 6 guys that could step into Glencross' spot right now without much if any decline in production. If injuries occur, then we still would have 5 guys remaining to draw from.

We have 6 guys who can put up 40-48 point a season sitting players around and not on the current roster? HOLY COW! How come we are not the first overall in the league then? We should surely fire everyone responsible for keeping these 6 players out of our line up.

[foshizzle11]

Originally Posted by The_Future

Also people wanting to trade Glencross for a pick. We are a playoff team as it stands. Why would you make a move that doesn't improve this team NOW, while not jeopardizing the future. The only way I trade Glencross is for a roster player that can benefit us now, and down the road. As it is a rental player situation, who is willing to give up a beneficial roster piece to add Curtis?

I say we don't trade him, we need him for the playoffs. He can use the playoffs to up his value, and if he walks, he walks. At least we go into the playoffs with all of our weapons.

I kind of agree with this. I don't want to sacrifice the future at all for this particular season. No trading any prospects or picks for help now but an UFA in Glencross for something that can help us now is trade I would consider. IE maybe trading him for another top 6 Dman who can help us now and maybe next year.

Is that possible for just Glencross? I don't know, but if it is possible, the Flames should do it. We have more depth at forward, so why not try to get more depth on the backend?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by 1991 Canadian

I do not for the life of me understand why so many people want Glencross gone. I haven't heard of any off ice issues. He seems to be very well liked in the dressing room. He loves playing in Alberta. He took a steep hometown discount to play here. He puts up 40 points every year. He hits. He can play up and down the lineup.

Because the Flames are rebuilding. It's nothing to do with wanting him gone. Trading players isn't some kind of personal judgement - it's asset management.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by The_Future

We have 6 guys who can put up 40-48 point a season sitting players around and not on the current roster? HOLY COW! How come we are not the first overall in the league then? We should surely fire everyone responsible for keeping these 6 players out of our line up.

Sven, Poirier, Bennett, and Granlund could easily replace his numbers in the top six, and Wolf/Arnold (if healthy) could play in the NHL as well although in a depth position.

The Flames have depth, but for the time being they are being brought along slowly in the AHL, which is the proper thing to do. Eventually, they will replace the vets as time goes on.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Sven, Poirier, Bennett, and Granlund could easily replace his numbers in the top six, and Wolf/Arnold (if healthy) could play in the NHL as well although in a depth position.

Down the stretch and potentially in the playoffs?

No. That's a massive reach on your part.

There's a reason playoff bound teams are looking to add a guy like Glencross and it's because rookies aren't capable of stepping in at this point in the season to bring what an experienced veteran does.

Maybe in the coming years, but none of those guys are guaranteed to step in and bring what Glencross is capable of right now at this point in the season.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Furthermore, if all he is going to get is a mid-late 2nd round pick, i'd prefer to keep him.

Anyone who thinks a third-line winger (which is what Glencross would be on any contending team) who is a pending UFA would bring back a 1st round pick hasn't been following NHL transactions very closely the last few years.

If you can get a 2nd you make the deal.

Put it this way - if the Flames didn't have Glencross right now, and he was available from another team, would you deal the Flames' 2nd round pick for him at the deadline as a rental? I would hope not. Because if that's the case, the Flames have pretty much moved on from rebuild mode and are prematurely entering win now mode (refer to Ottawa to see how that story plays out).

[flambers]

Originally Posted by The_Future

We have 6 guys who can put up 40-48 point a season sitting players around and not on the current roster? HOLY COW! How come we are not the first overall in the league then? We should surely fire everyone responsible for keeping these 6 players out of our line up.

Keep in perspective, Glencross has 8 goals and 26 points in 48 games played. He is on pace for 41 points. Previously had 40 or more points during 2011-2012 season. (seems to get hurt quite a bit)

Flames have the following options;

Granlund
Bennett
Poirier
D Shore
Baertschi

[Riles]

What if you could get Ryan Hartman out of Chicago for Glencross?
Just a spitball idea, but wouldn't that address the need for a younger right winger?

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Sven, Poirier, Bennett, and Granlund could easily replace his numbers in the top six, and Wolf/Arnold (if healthy) could play in the NHL as well although in a depth position.

The Flames have depth, but for the time being they are being brought along slowly in the AHL, which is the proper thing to do. Eventually, they will replace the vets as time goes on.

It's unlikely any of them could be stay defensively like Glencross is now. Maybe in a year or two, but I think Glencross adds more this year

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by The_Future

Also people wanting to trade Glencross for a pick. We are a playoff team as it stands. Why would you make a move that doesn't improve this team NOW, while not jeopardizing the future. The only way I trade Glencross is for a roster player that can benefit us now, and down the road. As it is a rental player situation, who is willing to give up a beneficial roster piece to add Curtis?

I say we don't trade him, we need him for the playoffs. He can use the playoffs to up his value, and if he walks, he walks. At least we go into the playoffs with all of our weapons.

Well, according to Friedman...ANA, PIT, BOS, and WIN have interest.

The notion that we automatically get worse without Glencross is hasty. He was excellent prior to the knee injury that sidelined for most of the last month or so...and the team went 6-3 anyway during that time. Doesn't seem like they missed him too much.

Yes, he contributes, but he's not instrumental to the team's success as the core pieces. If Gio, Monahan, or Johnny looks injured during a game, CP freaks out. Not as much for Glencross. Why? Because he's simply not as vital to the success of this team going forward - either regular season or in a playoff run.

As I mentioned in the PGT, Glencross has been inching down the depth chart. Johnny tore him apart in points, Bouma's making his case recently to be Glencross's role replacement, Sven's pushing in the AHL for a LW spot...you get the idea.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Sven, Poirier, Bennett, and Granlund could easily replace his numbers in the top six, and Wolf/Arnold (if healthy) could play in the NHL as well although in a depth position.

The Flames have depth, but for the time being they are being brought along slowly in the AHL, which is the proper thing to do. Eventually, they will replace the vets as time goes on.

Don't forget Shore on RW, allowing Raymond to slide over to his natural side.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

This is sheer nonsense. Passing is one of the most under-rated parts of Iginla's game. He's always been able to set up plays and dish great passes. We saw that the year he played with Cammalerri and all through out his career.

Iginla was / is a great passer.

I can't say a single slightly negative thing about Iginla without someone coming to his aid on CP. It's becoming very tiresome..

When you think Iginla do you think 'passer' or 'sniper'. Sniper, which is why he and Tanguay were always a great pairing. I'm not saying he can't pass, but it's not his strongest ability. The last year Iginla played with Cammy, he also played with Tanguay since they were both shoot first type players.

The previous poster decided to say that Glencross' success was due to Iginla's passing and I was calling him out on it.