[Trade] Glencross to Washington for a 2015 2nd and 2015 3rd round pick (WSH) (Archive)

[SuperMatt18]

Much like Cammy last year you only move him for a 2nd rounder or better.

With the team in the middle of a playoff race you don't just ship him out for a 3rd rounder due to "asset management".

[calgARI]

Would be surprised if team brought him back with all good young talent in the AHL plus Bennett. That said, I don't see why they'd trade him unless the return was pretty good. They are in the playoff race, if that changes then move him in the rental market the way other non playoff teams do with their UFA.

[johnnybegaudreau]

Originally Posted by 1991 Canadian

I do not for the life of me understand why so many people want Glencross gone. I haven't heard of any off ice issues. He seems to be very well liked in the dressing room. He loves playing in Alberta. He took a steep hometown discount to play here. He puts up 40 points every year. He hits. He can play up and down the lineup.

If we trade him this year, who picks up his production?

You trade him because he's one of the last UFA's who actually nets you a positive return in terms of futures whether that be a prospect or a pick or both. The whole point of being a good GM is knowing when a players time is up and not letting them walk away for free. We failed with Cammy last year sitting on him too long and not making something work to get something for him (anything is better than a nothing). A second rd and 3rd rd pick for example. You make the move now because despite the fact this team is in the playoff race they're still in 2nd year of a rebuild with a CF% of 46. Meaning there's still an 8% gap between the chances we create and the chances our opposition create on a nightly basis and that ultimately isn't sustainable over the long term. While it's great and sweet and nice to think this cinderella Flames story is going to end in the princess getting her prince. Reality usually dictates in situations like this that it doesn't happen. Toronto, Colorado most recent examples of low CF% teams falling back to the mean because their management mismanaged their expectations. The last thing we want to do is go out and keep Glencross, then lose him in the summer for free while picking up a Chris Stewart who yes both players will help us in a push to get past the first round of the playoffs. But neither are going to help us when we regress to the mean next year and if you don't think it will happen to us because we're not Toronto then you're the kind of person who think only living in kennels is what makes a dog different from a cat.

[Stay Golden]

If the Flames get any offer of a 3rd or better they take it. Its that simple.
Keeping Glencross at this point with this roster and resigning him is impractical.
Glencross in this offseason already said he is looking forward to testing the UFA market.
At that time he commented to the effect that he and his agent took a haircut for the Flames and they won't this next contract and if that means elsewhere then he is all for it.
Glencross will be seeking 3.5-3.7 per.
Whether he gets it or not is another story.
We already have a Stajan contract, that is what Glencross is seeking no doubt about it.

[Ozy_Flame]

Let's not forget that Bouma is doing everything Glenny should be doing anyways.

[Enoch Root]

I can't believe how often fans criticize a guy for playing poorly after an injury. It happens almost every time and yet fans seem surprised and frustrated by it each time.

Some guys that struggled coming back from injury this year: Raymond, Stajan, Colborne, Glencross, Jones and Jooris.

Guys that didn't: Backlund.

It happens. He'll get it going. It would be unfortunate though, if the same thing happens as took place with Cammalleri last year: cold before the deadline, post injury, then get hot post deadline, that would suck.

It would be extremely beneficial for the Flames (and for Glencross) if he were to get hot on this road trip. If he can help them get points on this trip and simultaneously up his value (both for himself and the team), that would be awesome.

[Jason14h]

Unless you get a 1st you don't move him.

A 2nd from a playoff team is not worth what he brings. Despite what people think, he is better then the other options our team has and we are trying to make the playoffs.

And if we do make it, Glencross is the type of guy who should excel in the playoffs.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Unless you get a 1st you don't move him.

A 2nd from a playoff team is not worth what he brings. Despite what people think, he is better then the other options our team has and we are trying to make the playoffs.

And if we do make it, Glencross is the type of guy who should excel in the playoffs.

What exactly does he bring?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Red Menace

Still find it hard to believe that people are defending Burke letting Cammi go for nothing last year.
Any GM should have multiple options in place....he should have told the team he was dealing with that the deal had to be done 10-15 minutes before deadline or he would move on top option B, C, D, etc.
Find it very hard to believe he couldn't have gotten at least a 2nd for Cammi from someone...he put his eggs all in one basket, and then dropped the basket....

He also got a 2nd for one of the worst goal tenders in the league that was on an expiring contract so most of us let it slide

[Caged Great]

A late second, if used on a defenseman, which is likely, will net you a guy like Julius Bergman, Roland McKeown, Jack Dougherty, Brandon Montour, Gustav Olofsson, Dillon Heatherington, Madison Bowey, or Damon Severson.

Wotherspoon was taken with a late 2nd.

I would gladly take a 2nd round pick if we could find anyone like that, and thankfully there are about 15 top notch D-men in the top 60.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

As much as people assume Glencross is a leader in the DR and is a leader on this team...

An argument, and a strong argument at that could be made that he isn't much of a leader at all. Many would say "he wears an A, he's a leader". The A is someone who can communicate or " liase" between the ref and coach and is considered a "vet" or someone dependable to add a spark when a team needs it.

Glencross does not add a spark. In fact, with his lazy line changes and blatant whining on the ice (which I have personally witnessed on multiple occasions), Glencross does not add anything that can't be replaced.

Furthermore, many guys in that room would see moving Glencross as a hockey move. And you are kidding yourself if you can't find at least one player in Addy to replace Glencross and "bring it" for the last stretch here. In fact, you would likely find multiple guys and it would be a great chance to see what kind of jam some of these guys have during "gut check time".

Yes, Bob Hartley of all people gives A's to lazy whiners...

Whether you like Glencross or not, I think we all have to get over this completely made up idea that he's some entitled lazy whiner. The fact is he's probably not if he's wearing an A on this team. None of us are in the room, so to say that garbage is really unfair.

Crosby whines at the ref, does he have locker room issues too?

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by keenan87

What exactly does he bring?

Right now:
- 26 points to date - 4th in Forward Scoring
- 0.55 point pace this season - so he's once again over a 1/2 point per game player
- he's still a + player, but many on the team are this year
- One of our few forwards that can actually contribute offensively and physically, the latter being something that lacks on this squad.

I'm no Glencross fan boy or even a supporter, I think the Flames should be looking to see if they can get a decent deal for him. But this ridiculous attitude many have on the board that he contributes nothing, that he's easily replaced by assets already in the system or even that he's addition by subtraction is absurd. He's none of those things. The Flames get worse by losing Glencross (assuming he's not traded for a roster player), to pretend otherwise is silly. It's not supported by anything any of us would see from watching the games, and it certainly not supported by the numbers. We can't drop our 4th top scoring forward and become a "better club". If we had someone on the farm that could provide that today already, they'd be playing on the big club.

That said, I do think the Flames could possibly sustain the Glencross loss, but moving him does hurt the club.

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by jg13

Burke is not the GM.

Really?

After 2 years of King having a puppet GM, and the actual reason for bringing in a President who knows a thing or two about Hockey. Nevermind being GM here until he found a replacement.

You really think it's that cut and dry?

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by keenan87

What exactly does he bring?

Goals + Grit.

But he needs better linemates or 1/2 of this won't come.

Flipping him for a pick that will likely never play in the NHL is silly. What if we lose someone to injury.

[dustygoon]

Why does it have to be a pick? I never thought a Glenx trade would be for a pick until I read this thread. We can't subtract if playoffs are in site.

A blueliner in his mid 20's should be the focus for us. We shouldn't trade away picks to get that. I could see Glenx being part of something to get that. Bartkowski level player.

[greentree]

Barring a juicy offer (i.e.: first round pick or A+ prospect) plus agreement from Glencross--and I can't see the required combination happening--he's a Flame for the rest of season and the hopefully playoffs. Which is not a bad thing. Trade deadline comes in the middle of our big 7-game road trip. It would be a gamble moving him at that time.
But I highly doubt we see Glencross in a Flame uniform next season.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Why does it have to be a pick? I never thought a Glenx trade would be for a pick until I read this thread. We can't subtract if playoffs are in site.

A blueliner in his mid 20's should be the focus for us. We shouldn't trade away picks to get that. I could see Glenx being part of something to get that. Bartkowski level player.

The problem is that any team interested in UFA Glencross probably wants to keep useful NHL players for their own playofff run. Maybe we could get a guy like Harrington out of Pittsburgh? Perhaps we take on some salary and get a pick as well?

[The_Future]

I love how this message board lives in the last 9 games. Remember how everyone had the tape measure out to see if Raymond fit under the bus? Then bang dude started producing, now everyone loves Raymond.

Curtis is on pace for an normal year production wise. He brings intangibles to the table that aren't easily replaced. He has just returned off injury, and might not be 100%.

When the playoffs come, if they come for Calgary, this man is a warrior and we would sorely miss him.

If the price is high, sell of course. Otherwise I would never trade him for the sake of making a trade.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Why does it have to be a pick? I never thought a Glenx trade would be for a pick until I read this thread. We can't subtract if playoffs are in site.

A blueliner in his mid 20's should be the focus for us. We shouldn't trade away picks to get that. I could see Glenx being part of something to get that. Bartkowski level player.

Why would a playoff team subtract that to get a rental? Doesn't make sense.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

Flipping him for a pick that will likely never play in the NHL is silly.

Who are they going to select with the pick? What round is it?