Feb 15 Practice - Bollig and Wolf likely out against Bruins. Ramo to start again.

[blender]

Despite my feeling that the Flames need him in the lineup, if they can get a first for him they should do it.

[sa226]

I would be flabbergasted if Glencross waived his NTC. This seems like a pretty tight knit group, I would think the players and especially the veteran players who have been here for awhile feel a sense of pride with how they have performed this year.

Add all of that to how embedded Glencross is in the community, it would take quite the convincing conversation with Treliving to get him to accept a trade anywhere.

[wingmaker]

It is really hard to see a trade for Glencross materializing at this point. First of all, despite what some posters go on about, losing Glencross for the rest of the season would be a blow to the Flames play off chances. Yes, this is still a rebuild, but it would be silly to actively sabotage a playoff push at this point in the season. Second of all, the only teams that would be interested in Glencross would be contending teams, which means you are probably going to get picks back, which is really not what the Flames need at this point in their re-build, nevermind trying to get a piece for a playoff push. Thirdly, as has been mentioned, Glencross is probably not going to waive his nmc willingly. For him to even entertain it there would have to be some very compelling reason, which I can't even come up with.

All those things considered, it is very unlikely. CP better get used to the idea of seeing Glencross in the flaming C at least until the end of the year, which is a good thing. Dude can play and he can play tough minutes, which is exactly what you want going into a playoff push. He doesn't have to score goals the way he used to, he can contribute in plenty of other ways.

[dying4acup]

Originally Posted by blender

Despite my feeling that the Flames need him in the lineup, if they can get a first for him they should do it.

Agree. And unless the offer is overwhelming I wouldn't move him. That's another benefit of winning during a rebuild. Your veteran players are more valuable. Take note oilers.

That all said, if the flames have a 1-6 road trip, take what you can get. The nice thing is that we will be most of the way through the road trip on March 2, so Treliving will have an idea of a plan.

But at this point, a team who wants Glencross knows they have to pay through the nose. A lot different from teams shopping for Hemsky or Smyth a year ago.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by saillias

the Canucks played a perimeter game.

Canucks: AVG shot distance 32.0 ft
Flames: AVG shot distance 32.2 ft

EDIT: for reference, average shot is 36.7 ft according to the NHL.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by wingmaker

Second of all, the only teams that would be interested in Glencross would be contending teams, which means you are probably going to get picks back, which is really not what the Flames need at this point in their re-build, nevermind trying to get a piece for a playoff push.

You can also get prospects, like what Toronto got from Nashville. We could especially use some defensive prospects.

Thirdly, as has been mentioned, Glencross is probably not going to waive his nmc willingly. For him to even entertain it there would have to be some very compelling reason, which I can't even come up with.

If a team at the top of the standings like Nashville asks for you, I think most players are listening. Especially if Glencross already knows Calgary isn't that interested in re-signing him, which could be the case.

Montréal is another top team that could use a boost to it's offensive depth.

The first point is I think the strongest one.

First of all, despite what some posters go on about, losing Glencross for the rest of the season would be a blow to the Flames play off chances. Yes, this is still a rebuild, but it would be silly to actively sabotage a playoff push at this point in the season.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by wingmaker

It is really hard to see a trade for Glencross materializing at this point. First of all, despite what some posters go on about, losing Glencross for the rest of the season would be a blow to the Flames play off chances. Yes, this is still a rebuild, but it would be silly to actively sabotage a playoff push at this point in the season. Second of all, the only teams that would be interested in Glencross would be contending teams, which means you are probably going to get picks back, which is really not what the Flames need at this point in their re-build, nevermind trying to get a piece for a playoff push. Thirdly, as has been mentioned, Glencross is probably not going to waive his nmc willingly. For him to even entertain it there would have to be some very compelling reason, which I can't even come up with.

All those things considered, it is very unlikely. CP better get used to the idea of seeing Glencross in the flaming C at least until the end of the year, which is a good thing. Dude can play and he can play tough minutes, which is exactly what you want going into a playoff push. He doesn't have to score goals the way he used to, he can contribute in plenty of other ways.

I'm still trying to figure out how dealing Glencross would be a blow to the Flames playoff chances. The team looked just fine when he was injured and out of the lineup in my opinion.

I'm fine with getting picks and/or prospects back. After all, this is still only year two of the rebuild.

[Travis Munroe]

Originally Posted by wingmaker

It is really hard to see a trade for Glencross materializing at this point. First of all, despite what some posters go on about, losing Glencross for the rest of the season would be a blow to the Flames play off chances. Yes, this is still a rebuild, but it would be silly to actively sabotage a playoff push at this point in the season. Second of all, the only teams that would be interested in Glencross would be contending teams, which means you are probably going to get picks back, which is really not what the Flames need at this point in their re-build, nevermind trying to get a piece for a playoff push. Thirdly, as has been mentioned, Glencross is probably not going to waive his nmc willingly. For him to even entertain it there would have to be some very compelling reason, which I can't even come up with.

All those things considered, it is very unlikely. CP better get used to the idea of seeing Glencross in the flaming C at least until the end of the year, which is a good thing. Dude can play and he can play tough minutes, which is exactly what you want going into a playoff push. He doesn't have to score goals the way he used to, he can contribute in plenty of other ways.

Mentioned already but
- nobody even realized he was missing when he was out.
- ive explained a great reason for him to waive his nmc as it is all about $$$ and on his current role, he isnt being showcased for the big money he claimed to be after
- I will gladly take a first or solid prospect from a top playoff team. It is year 2 of the rebuild and a late first or prospect sure beats nothing at years end.

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

I'm still trying to figure out how dealing Glencross would be a blow to the Flames playoff chances. The team looked just fine when he was injured and out of the lineup in my opinion.

I'm fine with getting picks and/or prospects back. After all, this is still only year two of the rebuild.

Very small sample size, and likely more to do with the emergence of Jones, who has finally filled in nicely and taken over his spot.

I don't want to see more of Byron and Bolig (but, actually less of) and in his absence, dealing him likely means that would be the effect.

[Travis Munroe]

There is the group that view Glenny as being the best option to trade and then there are those who see little use for Byron.
IMO, Byron is a valuable piece on the bottom 6. The guy plays a truculent role despite his size and although he misses every breakaway he gets, Mony himself was quoted after last game speaking to getting chances and not burying but it being better than not getting chances at all.
Byron plays a tough game, has incredible wheels and if he ever figures out how to finish, he could become one of the more valuable 4th line players in the league.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

I'm still trying to figure out how dealing Glencross would be a blow to the Flames playoff chances. The team looked just fine when he was injured and out of the lineup in my opinion.

I'm fine with getting picks and/or prospects back. After all, this is still only year two of the rebuild.

I just think it could hurt the relationship between the players and management. They have battled all year long to be where they are that it would be insulting to become a seller.

[dino7c]

The Flames had the far better scoring chances last game, Miller made countless big saves throughout the game. Ramo let in a turrible goal but made two stellar saves in the game. Flames were the better team, with even goal tending it would have been a blowout

Ramo was just okay, Miller played great

I am fine with Ramo starting though, a wins a win

[dino7c]

Glencross a veteran player who you have to force to waive his NTC
Wears a letter on the team
Loves the city and was willing to stick through a rebuild when others wanted out

Trade this guy? Just as the Flames are on the cusp of doing the unthinkable?

I hate the message that sends to the team

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Glencross a veteran player who you have to force to waive his NTC
Wears a letter on the team
Loves the city and was willing to stick through a rebuild when others wanted out

Trade this guy? Just as the Flames are on the cusp of doing the unthinkable?

I hate the message that sends to the team

At the end of the day, it's still a business and by all accounts, it doesn't sound like they're close to signing him to an extension.

If you don't trade him at the deadline there's a strong chance you lose him for nothing on July 1st which would be horrible management of assets. I'm not saying go out and trade him for whatever you can get, but if you get a great offer the decision is pretty simple in my opinion.

[Psytic]

Im suprised the Canucks hung in as long as they did. Wasn't that thier 3rd game in 4 nights? I think I am leaning towards the Sharks if we make it to the playoffs. Miller still has some serious game when he wants to.

[Enoch Root]

1) we'll see if they get a great offer I guess

2) I think the chances of re-signing him in the summer are pretty high

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

At the end of the day, it's still a business and by all accounts, it doesn't sound like they're close to signing him to an extension.

If you don't trade him at the deadline there's a strong chance you lose him for nothing on July 1st which would be horrible management of assets. I'm not saying go out and trade him for whatever you can get, but if you get a great offer the decision is pretty simple in my opinion.

Perhaps you don't understand. It's not a decision. They can decide to trade him all they want, but all indicators and common sense says that he won't agree to it. Why would he?

It is not terrible asset management. UFAs become available every year and every year playoff teams choose to retain players destined for UFA status simply because they want to win in the playoffs. What a novel idea!

So far as I can see, the only deliberate management of the Scoreface asset is whether or not to re-sign him.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Im suprised the Canucks hung in as long as they did. Wasn't that thier 3rd game in 4 nights? I think I am leaning towards the Sharks if we make it to the playoffs. Miller still has some serious game when he wants to.

I think the whole back-to-back, and three-in-four are overblown somewhat - teams can get tired for sure, but they're athletes and it was a big game.

Having said that, I think the score flattered Vancouver by a considerable margin. They went 9 minutes in the 3rd period without a shot, and managed only 4 shots in the final 14 1/2 minutes.

So based on the stats anyway, they didn't really hang in there all that well.

Miller is an enigma - he can be great, and he can be awful.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Yes, I don't understand this, decide to trade him talk. Glencross holds all the cards in this scenario. If he doesn't want to go, he doesn't have to. And with this being the last year of his contract, the whole Glencross won't want to play where he's not wanted argument for getting players to waive an NTC or NMC doesn't hold water. Glencross, also knows we are at the very least a slightly better team in the line up with him in it, so he really holds all the cards.

Best case scenario, he'd agree to waive only to a true true contender. Given we are in the mix, we won't trade to the West likely, so East only. Means we are going to get nothing for him because there will a very small list of teams. So then the argument becomes what is better for the Flames rebuild. Get a piss poor return for Glencross but at least we got something, or keep him and have him help make the playoff push and any potential "run" more competitive and therefore more beneficial for our young players development.

My hunch will be that the return for Glencross will be so low that having him around to try and keep us competitive for longer would be better for our rebuild.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

At the end of the day, it's still a business and by all accounts, it doesn't sound like they're close to signing him to an extension.

If you don't trade him at the deadline there's a strong chance you lose him for nothing on July 1st which would be horrible management of assets. I'm not saying go out and trade him for whatever you can get, but if you get a great offer the decision is pretty simple in my opinion.

You make it sound like something that's never happened before. Trading him for something is, at least to me, better than normal "management of assets" but if Glencross signs elsewhere without being traded it's fairly normal. As in, it was what you expect with a contract. We'll pay you X dollars per year for Y years. There was no stipulation on getting something back near the end of the contract, nor was there an implied assumption, either.