[Trade] Preds acquire Franson & Santorelli from Leafs for Leipsic, Jokinen & 1st

[browna]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Can't see flames getting a 2nd pairing d-man. Cost seems to be a late 1st, something the flames can not give up.

As per bolded, I can...that's exactly what this team needs given where they are right now. Bolstering some depth to make a push for the playoffs with an NHL ready defenseman who's a rental. As to the cost, that's up for debate.

Same goes for up front. A couple depth rentals (and keeping Glencross) is fine, as long as the price is fine. It's not about upsetting chemistry or deviating from the long term plan, its about getting NHL experience in the lineup in case of injuries, and giving some guys time off down the stretch.

The way this team has fought to this point to get where they are, IMO management owes the roster some depth to make this totally unexpected playoff dream a reality with 2 months to go in the season.

Good to hear the Flames were in on Franson.

[Sylvanfan]

As I said earlier a 27 year old Defenceman who is capable has a lot of options in the UFA market. I will be surprised if he lands a contract less than 6 years.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by browna

As per bolded, I can...that's exactly what this team needs given where they are right now. Bolstering some depth to make a push for the playoffs with an NHL ready defenseman who's a rental. As to the cost, that's up for debate.

Same goes for up front. A couple depth rentals (and keeping Glencross) is fine, as long as the price is fine. It's not about upsetting chemistry or deviating from the long term plan, its about getting NHL experience in the lineup in case of injuries, and giving some guys time off down the stretch.

The way this team has fought to this point to get where they are, IMO management owes the roster some depth to make this totally unexpected playoff dream a reality with 2 months to go in the season.

Good to hear the Flames were in on Franson.

His point is the cost is more than we are willing to spend. We arent jepordizing the future for a rental. If the market is set at a 1st for a 2nd pair dman, I doubt we will bite unless its a hockey trade with term.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Calgary's 1st and Nashville's 1st are two different things, so no way Calgary's should have been on the table (not saying you were suggesting that)

Also, Calgary is rebuilding and should be less willing to move theirs than a team like Nashville.

So this is all good.

Oh absolutely. My point was that Nashville offered their first round pick and Calgary likely wasnt willing to go any higher than their 2nd rounder. The first round pick just wasnt ever on the table. Once Toronto asked for a first round pick I'm sure Brad hung up the phone.

Because, exactly as you said, Nashville's 1st and our 1st are totally different things.

The Preds are loading up to go for it while we're still enjoying the gravy.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Yeah, it's not like Calgary "couldn't" match Nashvilles offer, like Dreger suggests, it's that they wouldn't beat it.

A first for a rental is a bad idea 99 percent of the time.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Yeah, it's not like Calgary "couldn't" match Nashvilles offer, like Dreger suggests, it's that they wouldn't beat it.

A first for a rental is a bad idea 99 percent of the time.

Depends on the team (it was a good idea for Nashville IMO).

But for the Flames - no way. There is still a decent chance they don't make the playoffs. Imagine if they gave up a lottery pick for a rental and then the unthinkable happened!

Calgary's 1st was never going to be on the table.

(though you can imagine Dreger hoping it was)

[dino7c]

Flames should have traded their first last off season when everyone thought they were gonna be dead last

[sharkov]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Flames should have traded their first last off season when everyone thought they were gonna be dead last

sarcasm?

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by sharkov

sarcasm?

I'm sure there is no sarcasm intended. With the benefit of hindsight, of course they should have.


Actually, they should have traded it for the Oilers first, since they were so positive to finish ahead of the Flames (talking in jest, of course).

[Locke]

Originally Posted by sharkov

sarcasm?

It does make a certain degree of sense, but only with perfect hindsight.

If management's crystal ball told them last summer that they were going to make the playoffs and all without Bennett then yes, they should have traded that first round pick for a king's ransom when everyone, myself included, thought we were going to finish dead last.

But we havent made the playoffs, and since every team not in the playoffs is in the draft lottery and crystal balls, hindsight and certain knowledge are things of fiction rather than fact then no.

Besides, for the first time in a while I think we as fans can confidently say that our organization is drafting and developing well, regardless of where the picks are.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by sharkov

sarcasm?

not really, I said it on here last summer and was mocked off the forum


Everyone was so certain the Flames would finish really low they could have got a kings ransom. Now the Flames have exceeded my expectations but they were 30 points or so up on last place last year.

They lost Cammy...but added Hiller, Raymond, JG ect.

I mean Hiller over Berra, I still don't see how anyone thought they would be at Buffalo's level considering 4th last is their lowest finish in franchise history.

anyway, discussion is pointless now

[Hugh Jahrmes]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Maybe we could sell them on the affordability of Curtis Glencross?

Their 2nd + Anthony Bitetto or Jack Dougherty and a 4th?

Glencross does seem to always have big games vs Nashville, and given his country personality it may be a fit. Sign me up for Dougherty!

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dino7c

not really, I said it on here last summer and was mocked off the forum


Everyone was so certain the Flames would finish really low they could have got a kings ransom. Now the Flames have exceeded my expectations but they were 30 points or so up on last place last year.

They lost Cammy...but added Hiller, Raymond, JG ect.

I mean Hiller over Berra, I still don't see how anyone thought they would be at Buffalo's level considering 4th last is their lowest finish in franchise history.

anyway, discussion is pointless now

And rightly so - rolling the dice like that is not prudent asset management, nor is it intelligent risk management for a business.

The pick would have been an uncertainty, so they would not have gotten a 'MacDavid' return, they would have gotten a lottery pick return with a year's delay and a modicum of uncertainty to it.

Then, imagine if the season fell apart (crap does happen) or, they win the lottery and give another team the top pick.

You don't build quality franchises by taking horse-trading risks.

[Sylvanfan]

Let's be honest right now the Flames would pick 16th in the draft. Barring a spectacular play off run the pick could be anywhere from 11 to 19. So still a good chance to get another good young asset with that pick.

The Flames may make a calculated gamble on a rental they feel they will be able to retain, but I think they will remain patient. Even if they do add depth it likely means taking an existing guy out of the lineup which may impact the group.

Franson for a second is something the Flames may have been willing to try thinking that they could make a strong push to keep Franson. But no chance they will move their first unless they get back a guy with some mid term certainty.

[Da_Chief]

I can only imagine the outrage on this site and the mocking the Flames would have taken had we traded our 2015 1st last off-season. Even now I wouldn't move the first knowing we'll be picking in teens.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Let's be honest right now the Flames would pick 16th in the draft. Barring a spectacular play off run the pick could be anywhere from 11 to 19. So still a good chance to get another good young asset with that pick.

Prospects ranked between 11 and 19 on McKenzies most recent list:

D Oliver Kylington
D Ivan Provorov
C Kyle Connor
L Paul Bittner
R Travis Konecny
D Jakub Zboril
D Brandon Carlo
C Colin White
C Nick Merkley

that's an interesting list of names. The Flames will get another great prospect this June if they keep the pick, no doubt.

[GranteedEV]

^no way Provorov falls that low.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

^no way Provorov falls that low.

people said that about Cam Fowler and Filip Forsberg too.

[dammage79]

I'm hanging my hat on Brandon Carlo for CGY's first round pick this year. Although I have a sneaking suspicion this years draft after the big name FW"S are gone. All the D-men will go high and fast. So the Flames range may be stuck with some FW's I'm not certain of.

Guys like Svechnikov, Meier, Zacha could all be available. Interesting that Zacha is slipping fast and hard down the rankings though. At the Flames spot though, I think it's a bargain pick if he makes it there.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by devo22

people said that about Cam Fowler and Filip Forsberg too.

Provorov has launched upwards in the rankings all year for a reason. He's in the top ten for sure.