[OOT] February 15 - One Early Game, Four Later

[Red John]

Originally Posted by getbak

I'm not sure who we're supposed to cheer for in the Minnesota-Vancouver game tomorrow.

A Vancouver win slightly improves the Flames' chances and a Minnesota win slightly decreases them. On the other hand, screw the Nucks. A regulation win is most important.

Forget the wild card. Flames should be aiming for 2nd or at worst 3rd in the Pacific. Cheer against the canucks Sharks and Kings and none of the other teams matter.

That's the beauty of it - Minnesota, Winnipeg - they can win as much as they want. As long as the Flames finish top 3 in the Pacific they're going to the dance.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by getbak

I'm not sure who we're supposed to cheer for in the Minnesota-Vancouver game tomorrow.

A Vancouver win slightly improves the Flames' chances and a Minnesota win slightly decreases them. On the other hand, screw the Nucks. A regulation win is most important.

No contest.

Like Red John said, if the Flames stay ahead of the Nucks and Sharks, Minnesota and Winnipeg are irrelevant.

Also, it's the Nucks.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Red John

That's the beauty of it - Minnesota, Winnipeg - they can win as much as they want. As long as the Flames finish top 3 in the Pacific they're going to the dance.

AND they're not pitted against Anaheim.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Apparently Getzlaf wasn't happy with Ovi's diving tonight.

"I didn't know he was going to dive tonight the way he did all over the f---ing ice. That part of it’s a little (more) embarrassing, pardon my language. He’s a great player. He’s going to score goals and make plays. That other stuff’s embarrassing.

"The slash on me. The slash on his hand. When we ran into him and he dove down. All those things. It's embarrassing to the game.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-pu...ory&soc_trk=tw

[Red John]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

AND they're not pitted against Anaheim.

It's actually amazing how the difference between 3rd in division and top wild card (probably only a one point difference), is the difference between

a) playing a team that will likely be within two points of yours - a pick 'em playoff matchup

b) playing Nashville or Anaheim, teams far ahead in the standings and a heavy favourite to beat you in the playoffs

Not sure if the NHL intended it this way when they re-jigged the playoff format but here we are. It used to be about getting in the playoffs and nothing more, as finishing 7th vs 8th basically drew you an equally tough matchup. Even 6th or 5th wasn't much better except in years where the 3rd seed came from a weak division.

Now the difference between 3rd and 4th in division is the difference between playing, say San Jose in the playoffs or Vancouver, or playing Chicago or Anaheim. That's unreal.

So again. Screw the Central teams. Winnipeg. Minnesota. Who cares.

This is about finishing top 3 in the division. Beat two of Vancouver, LA, San Jose and mission accomplished. Beat all three and you get home ice advantage.

[dying4acup]

Originally Posted by getbak

I'm not sure who we're supposed to cheer for in the Minnesota-Vancouver game tomorrow.

A Vancouver win slightly improves the Flames' chances and a Minnesota win slightly decreases them. On the other hand, screw the Nucks. A regulation win is most important.

Those odds assume the that the Flames will lose a few games before the season ends.

I assume they won't! 😍😘

[Tsawwassen]

Originally Posted by Red John

It's actually amazing how the difference between 3rd in division and top wild card (probably only a one point difference), is the difference between

a) playing a team that will likely be within two points of yours - a pick 'em playoff matchup

b) playing Nashville or Anaheim, teams far ahead in the standings and a heavy favourite to beat you in the playoffs

Not sure if the NHL intended it this way when they re-jigged the playoff format but here we are. It used to be about getting in the playoffs and nothing more, as finishing 7th vs 8th basically drew you an equally tough matchup. Even 6th or 5th wasn't much better except in years where the 3rd seed came from a weak division.

It still is about getting in the playoffs. Finishing 5th was usually better than 6th because the 5th place team would play the 4th place team which was close to each other in the standings and that was also a pick em series. I don't buy that 2nd or 3rd in the division supposedly gets a favourable match up.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by Obsidian

It would also be really funny and great if the Oilers beat the Jets.

Yeah. That isn't happening.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Obsidian

It would also be really funny and great if the Oilers beat the Jets.

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

Yeah. That isn't happening.

Yeah, I'm confident that it might.

The Jets are garbage, and they really struggle against Pac Div teams. They needed OT to beat the Oilers the last time, and this was with Edmonton in the middle of a stretch of epically historic futility.

[Barnet Flame]

It goes without saying that I hope I'm wrong and that you will have the opportunity to rub my face in the dirt for being such a pessimistic SOB.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

It goes without saying that I hope I'm wrong and that you will have the opportunity to rub my face in the dirt for being such a pessimistic SOB.

Believe it.

The Jets are terrible.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Believe it.



The Jets are terrible.

I have to agree with this. The Jets suck. Can't see how they're going to make it over any of the teams above them or the teams chasing them.

[Sylvanfan]

Imagine if the three Division format still existed. Calgary, Winnipeg, and Vancouver could be fighting for the Division and 3 seed with the second place team finishing 8th. It would be fun and heated.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Yeah, I'm confident that it might.

The Jets are garbage, and they really struggle against Pac Div teams. They needed OT to beat the Oilers the last time, and this was with Edmonton in the middle of a stretch of epically historic futility.

They also took St Louis and Nashville to ot just days before in that same losing streak. I'm confident you'll now also label these teams as garbage with this criteria?

[Resolute 14]

Ryan Getzlaf literally picked a puck up and dropped in the net for a goal, then lied about it on national TV, and he call's Ovechkin embarrassing.

[Robo]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

They also took St Louis and Nashville to ot just days before in that same losing streak. I'm confident you'll now also label these teams as garbage with this criteria?

any team that isn't calgary is garbage in my books.... that said i don't see the jets falling out of the playoffs barring a major implosion they aren't playing bad.

[Hells Bells]

Getzlaf is an idiot. He and his sidekick dive as much as anyone.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Red John

It's actually amazing how the difference between 3rd in division and top wild card (probably only a one point difference), is the difference between

a) playing a team that will likely be within two points of yours - a pick 'em playoff matchup

b) playing Nashville or Anaheim, teams far ahead in the standings and a heavy favourite to beat you in the playoffs

Not sure if the NHL intended it this way when they re-jigged the playoff format but here we are. It used to be about getting in the playoffs and nothing more, as finishing 7th vs 8th basically drew you an equally tough matchup. Even 6th or 5th wasn't much better except in years where the 3rd seed came from a weak division.

Now the difference between 3rd and 4th in division is the difference between playing, say San Jose in the playoffs or Vancouver, or playing Chicago or Anaheim. That's unreal.

So again. Screw the Central teams. Winnipeg. Minnesota. Who cares.

This is about finishing top 3 in the division. Beat two of Vancouver, LA, San Jose and mission accomplished. Beat all three and you get home ice advantage.

True in the Pacific, but I doubt St Louis fans are sympathetic. Actually the two eastern divisions are interesting too.

(just saying, I fully agree that its all about top 3 for the Flames)

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

They also took St Louis and Nashville to ot just days before in that same losing streak. I'm confident you'll now also label these teams as garbage with this criteria?

Except that it is NOT even close to the same criteria, since both Nashville and St. Louis have a very healthy record against both divisions in the West. Unlike these two teams—and virtually every other team in the West on the playoff bubble except for the Canucks—the Jets have an exceptionally poor record against teams in the other division. It is worth pointing out that the ONLY Pac Div team the Jets have beaten in regulation was the Arizona Coyotes on Game #1 of the season, way back in the beginning of Oct.

I will repeat: The Winnipeg Jets are a very, very pedestrian team that every other playoff bound or bubble Pac Div team would relish to draw in the first round.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

The Jets are garbage, and they really struggle against Pac Div teams. They needed OT to beat the Oilers the last time, and this was with Edmonton in the middle of a stretch of epically historic futility.

You didn't watch that game did ya? They were visually better that night.