Feb 15 Practice - Bollig and Wolf likely out against Bruins. Ramo to start again.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

I don't have a problem with Ramo starting again. His confidence probably went up quite a bit after that final buzzer, he did make a few huge saves as the game went along. If he looks shaky early on then yank him. Hiller might still be under the weather anyway.

The one guy I'd love to see get going soon is Glencross, haven't seen enough of his classic Scoreface lately. If he got going it would be massive for the team.

[MisterJoji]

Love that Ramo starts again. Both goalies seem like they play better when getting a few consecutive starts, but also start to drop off at about the 6th consecutive game or so. They're definitely not Kipper-like with 70+ games (and even he declined from too much workload). I think a 5/2 or 6/3 scenario benefits both guys and the team the most.

[Erick Estrada]

I always liked the play a goaltender until he loses mantra Hartley has used at times this season so I'm fine with Ramo getting another start and Hiller some rest.

As for Glencross I feel he's not going to be traded at the deadline but I hope the team doesn't entertain re-signing him. He's not a great transition player and is a flat out terrible passer at times. He just doesn't fit the Flames speed and transition game and seeing he's a one trick pony when his shots aren't going in he's not doing a lot for his line mates. I think he's a player that the team should move from rather than offer him a payday at his age.

[Roof-Daddy]

IMO Ramo is a better goalie than Hiller.

Not saying Jonas is bad, but he is so inconsistent, and his style is too erratic in my opinion.

Hopefully Ramo can get on a hot streak and keep the net for a while here.

[Travis Munroe]

Glad Ramo gets the start - was really happy the boys got the win for him as it can only help confidence....not easy stepping in against the nucks after sitting for so long. I felt both goals were soft as the second was terrible rebound control but we got the win and I expect him to be real sharp for the next game.
Glencross can be effective on the top 2 lines with top line players. Unfortuinatley, Bouma Jones and Backlund have elevated their game and shown incredible chemistry. Not only are they keeping other top lines in check, they spend quite a bit of time in the O zone. Huds, Johny and Mony will be on the same line for a very long time with the chemistry they show. All that said, I do find Glencross useless on the bottom 2 pairings - whoever said he has been one of the most physical forwards... I must be watching a different game. There is a difference between a Jones, Bouma, Wolf and Byron type hit where they try to go through the player vs ill just bump you after you dish the puck to tally a hit. I personally think this was the reason Joe saw limited ice 2 games ago and came out throwing the body lastnight.... Hartley knows he is a big strong kid and wants to see him use it to his advantage. This doesn't mean that you need to fight which a young kid like Joe may have mistaken it for last night.
Our best games this year have been against big teams known to throw the body and we come out and catch them off guard with the willingness to throw it right back. Bouma always seems to spark the guys early and I wouldn't be surprised to see him replace Glencross with the A next year.

[Hemi-Cuda]

I agree with starting Ramo again, after that first complete stinker of a goal he settled down and make some key saves. Plus we've seen this same routine play out several times already this year. Hiller plays awesome and is crowned the #1 guy, but then after a few weeks of starting every game he starts to make some mental mistakes and it costs the Flames. Hiller is not a #1, he's a 1a type goaltender. He needs the rest on a regular schedule otherwise fatigue seems to creep in and he's not effective

Outside of Ortio the Flames goaltending was at it's best when Hiller and Ramo were on a somewhat regular rotation early in the season. Hopefully Hartley goes back to that, even though the pressure to have a clear starting goaltender and ride him to the playoffs must be huge

[Kidder]

Glencross was solid last night IMO.

Took an absolute howitzer of snapper that Miller couldn't control and almost led to an empty netter for Jooris.

Played physical and was in the right position most of the night. Not a lot of floating.

Later in the third a puck was kept in at our line and sent toward the far corner where we would have been in trouble. Glencross reached out and batted the puck down and it landed dead at his feet. A highly skilled play and huge at the time as it allowed the puck to be skated out, dumped, and a tired line got a change.

Not sure what some of you are expecting of him. He'll have the odd dominant game where he'll pop a couple points but he's not doing that every night. If he did he'd be a superstar.

Also happy to see Ramo get the start. He deserves it. And for a playoff run we need both goalies fresh, focussed and high in confidence.

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I always liked the play a goaltender until he loses mantra Hartley has used at times this season so I'm fine with Ramo getting another start and Hiller some rest.

As for Glencross I feel he's not going to be traded at the deadline but I hope the team doesn't entertain re-signing him. He's not a great transition player and is a flat out terrible passer at times. He just doesn't fit the Flames speed and transition game and seeing he's a one trick pony when his shots aren't going in he's not doing a lot for his line mates. I think he's a player that the team should move from rather than offer him a payday at his age.

He's made 2 incredible tape to tape passes leading to goals this season that Adam Oates would not have made.

Your going to toss out an Alberta boy, who already took a discount to be here, so you can replace him with someone less expensive? And hope he gels better with the team.

That's merely shuffling deck chairs, Glencross can score 25 and play physical, but he does need a playmaker on his line.

[dammage79]

HIller's been rode hard since the ASG. No issues giving Ramo a few games right now. Hartley will likely ride Hiller pretty hard again on the eastern roadie.

[Brendone]

Originally Posted by Kidder

Not sure what some of you are expecting of him.

Consistency. Be physical, maintain some offensive zone time, pot a few goals, and for **** sake, stop with the freakin' drop passes! Don't think one of his drop passes has ever resulted in a positive play.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by saillias

His rebound control was scary. We're lucky the Canucks played an absolutely useless game.

At some points in the season, I liked Ramo over Hiller. I do not mindlessly hate Ramo. I do think however it's a silly decision to start the backup twice in a row when he played like he did. Maybe Hiller is still sick.

[Travis Munroe]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

He's made 2 incredible tape to tape passes leading to goals this season that Adam Oates would not have made.

Your going to toss out an Alberta boy, who already took a discount to be here, so you can replace him with someone less expensive? And hope he gels better with the team.

That's merely shuffling deck chairs, Glencross can score 25 and play physical, but he does need a playmaker on his line.

Who do you take
Glencross at 3.5 million or Jones at 3.5 million?

I know I take Jones as I feel he fits the criteria of this team moving forward more so than Glencross as he can play all 4 lines more effectively

And as for "tossing him out", it is a business.... same reason his previous "home town discount" is completely irrelevant to his current contract.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

He's made 2 incredible tape to tape passes leading to goals this season that Adam Oates would not have made.

Your going to toss out an Alberta boy, who already took a discount to be here, so you can replace him with someone less expensive? And hope he gels better with the team.

That's merely shuffling deck chairs, Glencross can score 25 and play physical, but he does need a playmaker on his line.

I personally get real tired of the old "he took a discount to play here" card. He wanted to be playing in Calgary as much as the Flames wanted him. He loves the fact he can be running his ranch on his off days... As far as I'm concerned, the Flames don't owe him anything.

You make a point that he made two incredible tape to tape passes leading to goals this season...... How many terrible passes and terrible giveaways has he had this year or last year that have lead to goals being scored against the Flames? I'd be curious to see those stats.

Long story short, I like the fact he's back to playing a physical game this season and grinding things out a bit more... But with that being said, there's no way in hell I'd be re-signing him for the supposed money and term he's looking for.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by saillias

His rebound control was scary.

I thought his rebound control was fairly proficient actually. In fact, thinking about it a bit more, I don't know what the hell you're on about.

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by terminator

Is it me or has glenciross been useless lately?

I was listening on the Fan last week and one of the guests (can't remember who it was) was saying Glencross is probably someone you don't want to move at the deadline. He said to watch for Glencross picking up hard minutes in the third when defending a close lead, and since I started watching that, I notice it too. Shut down minutes in the third period usually go unnoticed.

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by Realtor 1

Who do you take
Glencross at 3.5 million or Jones at 3.5 million?

I know I take Jones as I feel he fits the criteria of this team moving forward more so than Glencross as he can play all 4 lines more effectively

And as for "tossing him out", it is a business.... same reason his previous "home town discount" is completely irrelevant to his current contract.

At this point if choosing, I would take Jones as he has chemistry with his line. GlenX only seems good with the top line

[N-E-B]

The Glencross hate is getting really old. He's on a great contract for what he is and lots of people still feel the need to crap on the guy. Kinda hope he goes somewhere else and has a great season just to annoy the haters.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

He's made 2 incredible tape to tape passes leading to goals this season that Adam Oates would not have made.

I'm not sure using one of the best pure playmakers in the history of the game as some sort of comparable is a good idea.

Glencross isn't useless, and I can't speak for anyone else, but I would just like to see him light up the scoreboard a bit more. Would be a huge boost for the team down the stretch.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

The Glencross hate is getting really old. He's on a great contract for what he is and lots of people still feel the need to crap on the guy. Kinda hope he goes somewhere else and has a great season just to annoy the haters.

I would argue he's currently on a good contract for what he is. Just because people criticize the guy doesn't mean they 'hate' him or they want to crap all over him. He deserves some criticism based on his level of play for the past couple of years. Every player on the team has deserved some criticism at times, Glencross sure shouldn't be immune to it...

All I'm saying is for the term and dollar amount he's supposedly looking for, I wouldn't be interested in re-signing him.

It wouldn't annoy me at all if he went and found success elsewhere. Good for him if he's able to rediscover his game.

[Travis Munroe]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

The Glencross hate is getting really old. He's on a great contract for what he is and lots of people still feel the need to crap on the guy. Kinda hope he goes somewhere else and has a great season just to annoy the haters.

I think you are getting hate and knowing potential mixed up...
Yes, he is on a great contract BUT he wants more money and is in a contract year. That takes us to
1) Is he worth being re signed for more money on what would most likely be a 4ish year term?
2) Is he worth dealing to a team where he can play top minutes and show his worth for more money.

As of right now, he either gets stuck on the 3/4 line for the remainder of the year which hurts his negotiations be it with the flames or as a FA or he can waive his clause to go somewhere with a top 6 role and tear it up and earn the extra money he is after.
I have no doubt there are some teams he could strive under with a different system/style. It is a win win to trade him at the deadline. We get something for a player who I doubt we re sign and he gets a better chance to show his new team or the FA market that he deserves more money.